08-24-2008, 11:29 AM
I've got an odd question, I was reading last month and I came to an odd discovery...mainly that no where in the Old Testament does it mention the fallen angels. I know they talk about the Sons of God and their offspring, but never about them actually falling. In fact until Revelation (which in my mind speaks of what is to come, not what has all ready happened long ago. If that were the case it'd be a history, not a prophecy), the only mention of the possibility of bad angels is in Daniel where the angels of Israel are standing against the angels of Persia and Greece.
So I went and did some research, and what I found kind of confused me. Where in the Bible do we hear the tale of Satan being hurled to the Earth? Where is this epic battle that MUST have taken place and been a terrible sight to see? And when you look at the Bible the word Satan when broken down means adversary much like an attorney. And in Isaiah the Helel ben Shahar (Morning Star) could have just as easily referred to Babylon's king as Lucifer means shining one.
The first mention I could find of this rebellion as a thing that has all ready taken place is in a 4th century text by Saint Augustine (there's those darn Catholics again) called THE CITY OF GOD. It was a text of fancy meant to be a parable of pride in which the story of the rebellion was laid out in the manner long lost to modern storytellers and talks of how the rebellion mentioned in Revelation came before the creation of Adam, thus placing Satan upon the Earth to tempt Eve in Eden.
So, if Revalation han't happened yet, and this rebellion hasn't taken place, how can the Devil (which can be traced to Ahriman in Zoroaster before any mention in the Bible) all ready be upon the Earth? Why does every mention of Ha-Satan become more like a blocking agent, attorney or tester? Now, remember, I am talking OT here, NT has things to say, though I get the feeling the Apostle Paul didn't like angels in general and had a deep mistrust for them all from the start, and I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of love for the New Testament as it seems to be getting revisions and there's books missing from it thus making the puzzle incomplete in my opinion. My question is this, has the Devil, this doer of great evil in the eyes of God fallen, or is it a prophecy instead that has been twisted out of the timeline about an angel who says to God 'I disagree with you' very much like Peter denying Jesus and sparks an inter-heaven war. The events spoken of just do not make sense to me and seem to have been twisted about, mucked up with other religious idea from Persia, Greece, Sumeria and Assyria. :read:
-Kaye
So I went and did some research, and what I found kind of confused me. Where in the Bible do we hear the tale of Satan being hurled to the Earth? Where is this epic battle that MUST have taken place and been a terrible sight to see? And when you look at the Bible the word Satan when broken down means adversary much like an attorney. And in Isaiah the Helel ben Shahar (Morning Star) could have just as easily referred to Babylon's king as Lucifer means shining one.
The first mention I could find of this rebellion as a thing that has all ready taken place is in a 4th century text by Saint Augustine (there's those darn Catholics again) called THE CITY OF GOD. It was a text of fancy meant to be a parable of pride in which the story of the rebellion was laid out in the manner long lost to modern storytellers and talks of how the rebellion mentioned in Revelation came before the creation of Adam, thus placing Satan upon the Earth to tempt Eve in Eden.
So, if Revalation han't happened yet, and this rebellion hasn't taken place, how can the Devil (which can be traced to Ahriman in Zoroaster before any mention in the Bible) all ready be upon the Earth? Why does every mention of Ha-Satan become more like a blocking agent, attorney or tester? Now, remember, I am talking OT here, NT has things to say, though I get the feeling the Apostle Paul didn't like angels in general and had a deep mistrust for them all from the start, and I'll be honest, I don't have a lot of love for the New Testament as it seems to be getting revisions and there's books missing from it thus making the puzzle incomplete in my opinion. My question is this, has the Devil, this doer of great evil in the eyes of God fallen, or is it a prophecy instead that has been twisted out of the timeline about an angel who says to God 'I disagree with you' very much like Peter denying Jesus and sparks an inter-heaven war. The events spoken of just do not make sense to me and seem to have been twisted about, mucked up with other religious idea from Persia, Greece, Sumeria and Assyria. :read:
-Kaye