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Have you ever thought to this prophecy ?

Isaiah 29:
4. Brought low, you will speak from the ground;
your speech will mumble out of the dust.
Your voice will come ghostlike from the earth;
out of the dust your speech will whisper.


It is about the same action at the same time as in
Revelation 11

3. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."


Here it is the proof (one of them) that it happened/fulfilled at the due time

http://www.watchtowerwiki.org/files/1976...to_JWs.pdf

search it !

friendly,
rus v.

Hi rus v. :hibye: How are you?

May I ask, when was this letter written?

:heartbeat:

AR

Dear Russ,

I truly believe it means that it means a new birth, a new heart, which can only happen by a true repentance. Brought low to the ground, with our crowns to the ground, bowed low to the Father, and dressed in sackcloth, truly mourning our past sins of idol worship of mens thoughts, and becooming truly reborn in the spirit, with the new heart and mind full given to the Father alone for him to do His work in us.

Revelation 19:1-21

It appears that this is very well happening worldwide. His sheep(Bride) hear his voice, and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus, fully having repented with no more bearing witness to men's manmade self appointed works .

Revelation 19:1-21
1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

2 For true and righteous are his judgments: (for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.)

3 And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye (that fear him), both small and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of (a great multitude), and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia:( for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.)

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, (and give honour to him): for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (even an angel would not dare receive any praise for himself)

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called ("Faithful and True"), and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

look at this verse agian....

"12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and (on his head were many crowns;) and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

Jesus, "Faithful and True", has many crowns to give to those who are His True Faithful Followers, and He gives a new name to those whom are in Christ, with His Spirit within them already. So those in Him will know that new name, because they are sealed with His name now, written with in their hearts..(a New Heart), and also their whole minds...with most of their thoughts on spiritual things)(which means they are marked in their foreheads..his His Holy name sealed) , with all thier soul and entire strength...(their all, entire being and entire purpose) and they will personally know him, because they are His Bride and (one) with him already. They have their heads low and bowed only to Him, and are dressed in sackcloth, feeling so sorry for ever hurting their Father, and are so greatful to Him for revealing this to them.

John 17:20-23 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21. that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23. I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

Jesus prayed that we may all be united together with each other as well as united to Christ and “Father” and in order to achieve this we must fulfill the complete worship stated in Revelation 4:4

Rev 4:4
Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads

10. the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say: 11"You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being."

They lay their crowns before the throne..in complete submission

Not only were they laying their physical crowns down, this is symbolic of their very lives, by laying their crowns at the feet of the throne they where also laying down everything about themselves and submitting it to God, and worshipping Him in the manner in which He deserves. This is also how we should be before God each and every minute of the day. Completely submitted to Him and being worshipful and thankful for all we do and endure for His great honor.

Once we decide to fulfill this in our lives then we fulfill John 4:23
Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. We will become the worshippers that God seeks.

With much love to all,
In Christ,
New Heart

Hmm...I'm not convinced that those two scriptures are talking about the same thing. To me Isaiah sounds remarkably like he's talking about trying to talk about some sort of wave or line that is necessary for modern communication.

Though it could also be a metaphor for the fact that many people no longer have the ability to speak their minds. In fact their voices cry out in what might as well be whispers.

Who knows? Though had I read the link I might have had different thoughts, but...it didn't work for me. :(

this link worked for about one week from the data when I posted it...
but some "friends" of "good will" had the ability to remove/delete it.

that's the situation.

:read::coffeeread::heartbeat:

You will speak from the ground.
Exodus 6:2 And God went on to speak to Moses and to say to him:
“I am Jehovah.
3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as God Almighty,
but as respects
my name Jehovah
I did not make myself known to them.
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Daniel 12:8 Now as for me, I heard, but I could not understand;
so that I said:
“O my lord, what will be the final part of these things?”
9 And he went on to say: “Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end.
10 Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined.
And the wicked ones will certainly act wickedly,
and no wicked ones at all will understand;
but the ones having insight will understand.
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In Daniel we hear of words that are shut up until the end of time and,
words that the wise shall understand and the wicked won’t.
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Ezra 4:24 It was then that the work on the house of God, which was in Jerusalem, stopped; and it continued stopped until
the second year of the reign of Da•ri´us the king of Persia.
Daniel 12:12 “Happy is the one who is keeping in expectation and who arrives at the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days!
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Matthew 10: 18 Why, YOU will be haled before governors and kings for my sake,
for a witness to them and the nations.
The Holy Bible
Distinguished between books that were to be read in public worship and apocryphal . Because this secret book was preserved For us the divine - believers,
So the "unenlightened" Church Fathers found themselves outside the realm of understanding,
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Isaiah 24:16 From the extremity of the land there are melodies that we have heard: “Decoration to the Righteous One!”
But I say: “For me there is leanness, for me there is leanness! Woe to me! The treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously. Even with treachery the treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously.”

Psalms 37:25 A young man I used to be, I have also grown old,
And yet I have not seen anyone righteous left entirely,
Nor his offspring looking for bread.

In faith we believe there is a priest class running parallel with the sheep
at the end of the time.
Who is Metatron
He has names not known to us.
May The Power and the Glory be
to
King Jesus Christ
Before him Metatron
Exodus 24:1 And to Moses he said: “Go up to Jehovah, you and Aaron, Na´dab and A•bi´hu and seventy of the older men of Israel, and YOU must bow down from a distance.
2 And Moses by himself must approach Jehovah; but they should not approach, and the people should not go up with him.”
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Psalms 121:44 Look! He will not be drowsy nor go to sleep,
He that is guarding Israel.
5 Jehovah is guarding you.
Jehovah is your shade on your right hand.
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Ezekiel 1:14 And on the part of the living creatures there was a going forth and a returning as with the appearance of the lightning.

15 As I kept seeing the living creatures, why, look! there was one wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, by the four faces of each.

The Walk of Life.
Humans before us that transformed into Heavenly Beings.
As you came forth from Jehovah God, seeking to have your own unique experience, you were given the gifts of free will and absolute creatorship.
Your Mind dictates your surroundings.
State of Being and Quantum Reality
I counsel you to love every child.
Do not abuse any child,
nor stand idly by
and allow harm to come to a child.
Neither should you neglect a child.

For children are the lambs of God
and fiercely loved by Him!
You will find fear of a Diety a good thing. Imagine, get your mind around a supernatural being of power and glory in awe. Say Metatron
We sons of light sit at Jehovah God’s left.

2 Look! God is my salvation.
I shall trust and be in no dread;
for Jah Jehovah is my strength and [my] might,
and he came to be the salvation of me.”
‘For this is the way of wisdom -- to acquire ideas one after another until, in the end, there emerges one complete concept, one true reality.‘
With respect to our enemy. Jesus said love your enemy.
Metatron is the universal angel of Death. Jesus is Rebirth, who helps us tear down our old paradigms, and belief systems in order to create new higher vibrational worlds.
The time is Now for us to return to the Source and the Truth of who we are.

Amen in faith
Cc
Psalms 110:4 Jehovah has sworn (and he will feel no regret):
“You are a priest to time indefinite
According to the manner of Mel•chiz´e•dek!”
Psalms 110:5 Jehovah himself at your right hand
Will certainly break kings to pieces on the day of his anger.
6 He will execute judgment among the nations;
He will cause a fullness of dead bodies.
He will certainly break to pieces the head one over a populous land.
7 From the torrent valley in the way he will drink.
That is why he will raise high [his] head.
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Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, for the reason that Jehovah has anointed me to tell good news to the meek ones. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening [of the eyes] even to the prisoners;

Hi CC

It seems there is no scholarly consensus about the origin of the name Metatron.

Why do you define Metatron as "the universal angel of Death"?

Re: "Jesus is Rebirth, who helps us tear down our old paradigms, and belief systems in order to create new higher vibrational worlds."

What scripture reference to our Lord directing us "to create new higher vibrational worlds."?

Re: "In faith we believe there is a priest class running parallel with the sheep"

Our Master Jesus Christ is the Fine Sheperd. Sheep hear his voice and follow him. What scripture reference do you present that there "is a priest class running parallel with the sheep"?

Your quoted scriptures CC are very much appreciated (reading of scripture brings much hope), yet your inclusion of "Metatron" is off base, imo.

gogh

"you will speak from the ground"

Dear Brother Gogh
Hello Glad I got your attention.

“I Memra Shekinah”
The God of Israel as Christ, who was appointed to this station. He is the Beloved of the Father, and his Offspring, the eternal Priest,
and is called “Sharer of the Father’s throne.”
This was the promise made to the angel of Laodicea.
He also, would become like Jesus, exalted and enthroned.
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Sorry if I hit a nerve revealing Metatron.

I was only using a modern application of the prince of this world.
Well it is a very very old name really but with the kids these days with all things electronic it to me seems a more forceful application.…..
I myself only recently was brought to my attention.
We don’t bring him up much in this forum the enemy I mean
He transforms himself into an angel of light
but spiral forms lean toward Jehovah God
Or connection forms if you like with Jehovah God.
Like a balance awareness arises one off the other.
Our Christ rises, and your eyes too see the Kingdom of Jehovah God.
scriptural reference for metatron. Identity taken over by the new agers.
Exodus 23:20 “Here I am sending an angel ahead of you to keep you on the road and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.
21 Watch yourself because of him and obey his voice. Do not behave rebelliously against him, for he will not pardon YOUR transgression;
because my name is within him.
22 However, if you strictly obey his voice and really do all that I shall speak, then I shall certainly be hostile to your enemies and harass those who harass you.
Psalm 2:7 Let me refer to the decree of Jehovah;
He has said to me: “You are my son;
I, today, I have become your father.
Isaiah 63:9 During all their distress it was distressing to him.
And his own personal messenger saved them.
In his love and in his compassion he himself repurchased them, and he proceeded to lift them up and carry them all the days of long ago.
So similar is Metatron to Jehovah God and so alike his trappings and authority and power, that one is left with the impression that we have a figure here who is so like God that he virtually acts as the very embodiment of divinity.[
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We have blood on our shoulders,
we become informed to protect.
Exodus 14:19 Then the angel of the [true] God
who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear,
and the pillar of cloud departed from their van and stood in the rear of them.
Exodus 13:21 And Jehovah was going ahead of them in the daytime
in a pillar of cloud
to lead them by the way,
and in the nighttime
in a pillar of fire
to give them light to go in the daytime and nighttime.
Psalms 121:4 Look! He will not be drowsy nor go to sleep,
He that is guarding Israel.
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Your quote “What scripture reference to our Lord directing us "to create new higher vibrational worlds."?”
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Zion is the higher vibrational World.
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Psalm 135:21 Blessed out of Zion be Jehovah,
Who is residing in Jerusalem.
Praise Jah, YOU people!
“Re: "In faith we believe there is a priest class running parallel with the sheep"
Our Master Jesus Christ is the Fine Sheperd. Sheep hear his voice and follow him. What scripture reference do you present that there "is a priest class running parallel with the sheep"?”
The Body of King Jesus Christ. Or Priest King Class.

A time is coming
-declares the Lord

When the plowman shall meet the reaper,
Amos.


Amen in faith
Cc
Ecclesiastes 5:6 Do not allow your mouth to cause your flesh to sin,
neither say before
the angel
that it was a mistake.
Why should the [true] God become indignant on account of your voice and have to wreck the work of your hands?

:read::grouphug::heartbeat:

Heavenly Brothers and Sisters
Loved by our eldest head and brother Jesus.
We see the vision of his Christ.
Amos 9:13 “‘Look! There are days coming,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘and the plowman will actually overtake the harvester, and the treader of grapes, the carrier of the seed; and the mountains must drip with sweet wine, and the very hills will all find themselves melting.
There comes a time when the plowman will catch up to the reaper and goes past him.
Jehovah God’s promise there is eternal life without dying.
This living generation of adopted sons.
Gentiles with the opportunity to receive a crown.
And the condition of that life filled with joy.
Near is his salvation to those who fear him,
glory dwelling in our land.
Psalms 85:9 Surely his salvation is near to those fearing him,
For glory to reside in our land.

Leviticus 26:4 I shall also certainly give YOUR showers of rain at their proper time, and the land will indeed give its yield, and the tree of the field will give its fruit.
5 And YOUR threshing will certainly
reach to YOUR grape gathering,
and the grape gathering will reach to
the sowing of seed;
and YOU will indeed eat YOUR bread to satisfaction
and dwell in security in YOUR land.
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What is in store for us.
It takes all sorts
May we make it to the end.
Live the Kingdom
Amen in faith
Cc

Psalms 85:10 As for loving-kindness and trueness,
they have met each other;
Righteousness and peace—
they have kissed each other.
11 Trueness itself will sprout out of the very earth,
And righteousness itself will look down from the very heavens.

:read::friends:

Brothers and Sisters
Christ Vision of his Father.
The Holy
Source
What type of Being he is. Jehovah father
John 3:16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Sending his own Son believed in our day, the last generation.
Luke 11:50 so that the blood of all the prophets spilled from the founding of the world may be required from this generation,
51 from the blood of Abel down to the blood of Zech•a•ri´ah,
who was slain between the altar and the house.’
Yes, I tell YOU,
it will be required from this generation.
The death of Abel is recorded in Genesis, the first book in the OT.
The death of Zechariah is included in 2Chronicles, the last book in the OT.
(the order of books is different from the order they are in today)
Jesus confirms that this is the the Right Way and what is required of our generation.
We have Faith in the Holy Bible confirmed to be true. “All scripture is inspired by God”
Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses,
"I am who I am .
[b] This is what you are to say to the Israelites:
'I AM has sent me to you.' "
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Isaiah 45:5 I am Jehovah, and there is no one else. With the exception of me
there is no God.
I shall closely gird you,
although you have not known me,
6 in order that people may know
from the rising of the sun and from its setting
that there is none besides me.
I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
7 Forming light and creating darkness,
making peace and creating calamity,
I, Jehovah, am doing all these things.
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Amen in faith
Cc
2 Peter 1:19 Consequently we have the prophetic word
[made] more sure;
and YOU are doing well in paying attention to it
as to a lamp shining in a dark place,
until day dawns
and a daystar rises,
in YOUR hearts.
20 For YOU know this first,
that no prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation.
21 For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will,
but men spoke from God as they were borne along
by holy spirit.