Bin talking with Seraphim tonight.
I think the original faithfull and discreet slave is... Jehovah.
Jesus, His reflection, was also faithfull and most times very discreet, particularly during healings. So....
The Faithfull and Discreet Slave is Jesus!!!!
Emulating his father Jehovah.
We, in turn, may emulate Jesus, in being faithfull to the end, without bragging about how wonderful we are.
So, stay faithfull, through all those trials; do good works; do not let the right hand know what the left hand is doing, and you, "my child of Jehovah", will be proven faithfull and discreet.
It is Jesus, the faithfull and discreet slave, who will be appointed over all the belongings.
Anyone who claims that title for themselves, is disclaiming Jesus and is a braggard!
vicky
ps. Slave is doulos I believe this infers pain. French...douleur.
Not to be confused with servant [diakonos] 'through the dust'.
This doulos, slave, will suffer pain.
Jesus put this sentence into the 'third person' with a question,
because he was being discreet.
Hi Vick, :thumbup:That sounds good, except how could Jah be the origional slave? Why does there have to be an origional slave, other then Jesus? In what sense, did the Master Jah, arrive, and appoint Jesus over the domestics?
I was only saying that Jesus was a reflection of Jehovah in his attitude, as being willing to go through pain, and through consideration for others not to make a noise about it.
Watching His son be in human form, and then die as a human criminal was more than a double swipe by satan.
Jehovah is the one that originally underwent pain.
Does that make sense?
vicks
"These are the words of the Amen, the trusty and faithful and true Witness, the Origin and Beginning and Author of God's creation."--Revelation 3:14*, The Amplified Bible.
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*See also Isaiah 55:4 and Proverbs 8:22.
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Hi, vicky! :hibye: In private discussions with a few individuals I have been offering the thought for quite a few years now that, indeed, Jesus Christ, in all of his roles, -- spirit and human, -- is the "faithful, thoughtful, and wise servant, whom his master [YHWH] has put in charge of His household to give to the others the food and supplies at the proper time."--Matthew 24:45, ibid.
Our good old friend Jinnvisible, I believe, is another who has also enjoyed this insight for some time.
Whaddaya say, friends. Wanna discuss it?:read: :thumbsup: :clap:
Thanks for cracking the ice, vicky! :ok:
Much Christian Love to You and ALL! :love: iso...
Hi Vicki, in the 2001 translation :
45 ‘Who really is the faithful and sensible slave that the master has put in charge of his servants, and to give them their provisions at the proper time? 46 The slave will be blest if he’s found doing so when his master arrives. 47 I tell you the truth; he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that bad slave should say in his heart, My master is taking his time, 49 and he starts to beat his fellow slaves, and eats and drinks with the drunks, 50 that slave’s master will arrive on a day and hour that he doesn’t expect. 51 Then he’ll cut him down and assign him with the hypocrites, and that’s where he’ll cry and grind his teeth.’
I really don't see the slave as Jesus, because of the second half of the paragraph here.. which is talking about the possibility of the slave turning bad.. and some of the slave evidently would.. There is no possibility that Jesus will turn bad on the second coming.. so my point.
Actually I agree with e-magine. Can't imagine Jehovah being a slave, because a slave, I think would be one that has a master..
Greetings all.
If the "slave" is Jesus...who would the "master" that arrives be?
Christian love and appreciation,
gogh
Greetings all.
If the "slave" is Jesus...who would the "master" that arrives be?
Christian love and appreciation,
gogh
Hi, gogh! :) My thought is as I indicated above with the bracketed insertion of [YHWH] at Matthew 24:45.
"faithful, thoughtful, and wise servant, whom his master [YHWH] has put in charge of His household to give to the others the food and supplies at the proper time."--Matthew 24:45, The Amplified Bible.
It's just my thought. We're just discussing here, right? ;)
I think Malachi 3:1 lends support to this line of reasoning in that the "Master" ("the true Lord" in that verse) arrives with "the messenger of the covenant" (whom I believe we can all agree is Jesus Christ), at the [spiritual] "temple" prefigured by Solomon's literal temple.
With respect to you, vicky, I do not see YHWH as the "slave" or "servant." Only as the "Master."
iso...
In the 1st century, i feel that the Apostles were the faithful and discreet slave. They provided true spiritual food by way of the Gospels and Epistles.
Hey vicky ... :hibye:
Interesting topic ... :thinking::read:
When I look at this verse I see a couple of things just off the top of my head ... but will give it some more thought and pondering ... :coffeeread::love:
Matt. 24:42 ...
42 Be watching, then! for you have no knowledge on what day your Lord will come.
In verse 42 we see the 'Lord' (Christ Jesus) is who we are to be 'watching for'.
Matt. 24:44 ...
44 Be ready then; for at a time which you have no thought of the Son of man will come.
Then we see in verse 44 the 'Lord' (Kyrios) is identified as the 'Son of man' whom we know to be Christ Jesus.
Matt. 24:45 ...
45 Who is the true and wise servant, whom his lord has put over those in his house, to give them their food at the right time?
Here in verse 45 we see that it is the 'Lord's' (Kyrios) who 'owns' the 'faithful and discreet slave' or 'true and wise servant', and who decides who is such and rewards them (him) accordingly ...
Now, it has always interested me this 'proper time' or 'right time' or 'appointed' time part ... :huh: :scratchhead:
It would seem from the definition that this 'time' is a VERY SPECIAL or IMPORTANT TIME ... not something 'prolonged' or even a 'time period' or at least that is how I understand the definitions ... which are ...
(2540) kairos kahee-ros'
Of uncertain affinity; an occasion, that is, set or proper time: - X always, opportunity, (convenient, due) season, (due, short, while) time, a while. Compare G5550.
(5550) chronos khron'-os
Of uncertain derivation; a space of time (in genitive case, and thus properly distinguished from G2540, which designates a fixed or special occasion; and from G165, which denotes a particular period) or interval; by extension an individual opportunity; by implication delay: - + years old, season, space, (X often-) time (-s), (a) while.
So, this 'feeding' that this 'slave' will be doing must be of GREAT IMPORTANCE I think ...
I have wondered if it had to do with the '2 witness preaching activity' or the 'food at the wedding feast' ...?
This is a topic I always have on the back burner and like taking it off 'simmer' from time to time and 'heating' it up ...
Interesting viewpoints ... :thumbup:
Luv to ya sis ... BR :sheepy::bouncyhearts:
BUT, BUT, BUT....
...:news:Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible. For this reason the Bible cannot be properly understood without Jehovah's visible organization in mind.. :fishing:Since 1879 the Watch Tower magazine has been used by this collective group to dispense spiritual food regularly to those of this 'little flock' of true Christians..:listenmusic: Jehovah poured out his spirit upon them and assigned them the responsibility of serving as his sole visible channel, through whom alone spiritual instruction was to come. :priest:: ..Those who recognize Jehovah's visible theocratic organization,:hypno: therefore, must recognize and accept this appointment of the 'faithful and discreet slave' and be submissive to it.. :pirate1:...Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God:bigboss:... that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life..:toiletpaper:.. in submitting to Jehovah's visible theocratic organization, we must be in full and complete agreement :protest:...with every feature of its apostolic procedure and requirements. :horsepoo:..(Watchtower, Oct. 1 1967 pp. 587-92)...:smoker:
Hello brothers & sisters,
The talk on Sunday at my KH stressed over & over again our need to keep close to the WBTS org' if we want to survive the end of this system as it is only by associating with JW's you can hope to live...............
The WT study also seemed to engender similar comments.
On the way home from the meeting on Sunday I spoke to my father about the prominence given to the FDS..........I asked him 'did you notice the first thing the speaker gave thanks to Jehovah for in his concluding prayer?'...............yes the FDS, all the spiritual food they are providing & the organization!!!
Jesus was NOT MENTIONED at all, until,............. 'in Jesus name Amen'
My father did notice & said he was very uneasy about the way things are going with the organization. He agreed with me there is far too much praise given to the FDS & the org' & that we really do not worship Jehovah at our meetings. Its just a case of cramming our heads with info at every meeting never bowing down to our great God & worshipping him.
Why don't the brothers & sisters see it?
It is like they are blinkered & blinded, just wanting their 'ears tickled'
Floriferous
It has been a decisive plan, stretching back 60+ years, to have an elite inner group be the sole authority over the friends.
There was a time when you could raise your hand and ask questions at the Watchtower Study. The conductor would ask for views and then assign someone to do homework and bring their findings to the next meeting. That all ended in the late 60's. The friends cannot ask a question, they know they will be 'marked'. Now every meeting emphasizes the GB mulitple times. Many of the friends are convinced that being in a Kingdom Hall when Armageddon breaks out will save them.
They miss who the real Rock of Salvation is.
In Christ
designs
Hello brothers & sisters,
The talk on Sunday at my KH stressed over & over again our need to keep close to the WBTS org' if we want to survive the end of this system as it is only by associating with JW's you can hope to live...............
The WT study also seemed to engender similar comments.
On the way home from the meeting on Sunday I spoke to my father about the prominence given to the FDS..........I asked him 'did you notice the first thing the speaker gave thanks to Jehovah for in his concluding prayer?'...............yes the FDS, all the spiritual food they are providing & the organization!!!
Jesus was NOT MENTIONED at all, until,............. 'in Jesus name Amen'
My father did notice & said he was very uneasy about the way things are going with the organization. He agreed with me there is far too much praise given to the FDS & the org' & that we really do not worship Jehovah at our meetings. Its just a case of cramming our heads with info at every meeting never bowing down to our great God & worshipping him.
Why don't the brothers & sisters see it?
It is like they are blinkered & blinded, just wanting their 'ears tickled'
Floriferous
You guys are so great.
I wasn't saying Jehovah is the faithful and discreet slave, because he obviously has no master.
But he is the one that Jesus learned from, as to how to be faithful and discreet.
And so it passes on down the line.
I think it started with Jesus and that is why he couched the expression in an enigmatic phrase.
Jehovah inspected him, and we in turn are to be inspected.
For Jesus to pose this statement as a question means we are to give it more thought than the average.
Let's give it thought and prayer, because I am certain it is not the 'Bods in Brooklyn.
vicky