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There is God, Super, Intention, Mind, and Soul. Each kind of consciousness has it's own properties and abilities. The lower states of consciousness such as Intention, Mind, and especially Soul are very critical not to mess up. Most of YOUR suffering is actually because of your miss use and ignorance of your Soul, Mind, and Intention consciousness. It is impossible to mess up with Super and God consciousness.

btw; most women are stuck in Soul consciousness... most men are stuck in Mind consciousness. Demons are stuck in Intention consciousness. None of these kinds of consciousness are bad in and of itself... but being stuck is bad. lol


Soul Consciousness; This is the subconscious. It is capable of controlling your feelings and priming the Mind. It is responsible for whether you feel bodily pain or pleasure. Communicating in Soul Consciousness is formally called Hypnosis. Women naturally use hypnosis without even knowing it. It primarily involves pacing, which means using all the words others use and even copying there expressions and body posture and breathing rate. It also involves indirect suggestions; such as; "you can read the rest of this post". lol It sounds like an option you can do... but actually all I was saying was what I knew you would do, and it is a factual assessment. though subconsciously we interpret it as a command.. when one continues to be given suggestions in this way inevitably the subject can be controlled to do anything. (This is how women often control men) lol They are inherently clever with the Soul without even knowing it. Become mindful of the women in your life and notice how often they give indirect suggestions and mimic you! lol

I have used Soul Consciousness to overcome negative conditioning in myself... and to also remove chronic pain from a few people... they no longer have to take pain pills every day... The last one I did it to now saves $100 a month on pain pills! I have also used my knowledge of the Soul to give people the most absolute pleasure they have every experienced!

Those who are stuck in Soul are habitual liars (both to themselves and others)... Feelings are the truth of the Soul. This is why those who are stuck in the Soul respond incorrectly to logical statements and assessments of true or false ... responding from their feelings instead of the actual content. Such individuals are also usually incapable of transcending there social conditioning. Note; Solomon said he never met a true women. Neither have I!

(I am teaching you these things to help you understand the actions of others who are stuck in Soul so that you can given them empathy,... not so that you can judge or look down on them for being stuck; you don't have to 'respect' the sticky souls but you should love them)


Mind Consciousness; This is the thing that analyzes the information of the past and potential futures (it is time based). It is responsible for our ability to understand and make the assessments of true or false. Communicating in Mind Consciousness is formally called Rationalism, or just reasoning. Many Men are rational beings.... able to make true or false assessments without the Soul interfering. Note; Solomon said one in a thousand men are true. So, one in a thousand men are capable of making true or false assessments without any Soul interference. I would agree with Solomon!

I have used Mind Consciousness to discover and prove God's nature and develop many advances in philosophy, engineering, and the sciences. (Including everything I am explaining to you now...) Rationalism is the only way to communicate and understand knowledge.

Those who are stuck in Mind are formally called egocentric and are either prideful or dejected. Such people are usually ignorant of the Soul and deep down usually hate women. The Mind is a comparator so all a person can do when stuck in Mind is compare himself (or herself) to others to assume their worth. The prideful sticky mind hates the company of anyone better off than themselves. The dejected sticky mind is judgmental (fault finding) to those better off than themselves.

(I am teaching you these things to help you understand the actions of others who are stuck in Mind so that you can given them understanding,... not so that you can judge or look down on them for being stuck; you don't have to 'love' the sticky minds but you should respect them)


Intention Consciousness; This is the thing that literally creates reality (it is NOW based). One's thoughts (Mind) and feelings (Soul) in the NOW are their Intention for which the future is created. Intentions attract like vibrational energy in other people and in circumstances. Intention Consciousness is the foundation of faith, it is associated with hypnosis because you focus the Soul in the NOW to create the effect. ALL power is in the NOW.

The Mind and Soul of the NOW are always creating the future even if you are ignorant of Intention Consciousness; Your life is a result of your thoughts and feelings in the NOW. Change your thoughts and feelings in the NOW and you change your life, no exception!!!

Those who are partially aware but ignorant of how it works often use temporal thoughts and feelings in an effort to use the power of Intention. Such as; they imagine a FUTURE that they desire and project feelings there... hoping to create that future for themselves. All that does is make sure that potential FUTURE never comes into the NOW! To use the Power Intentionally you must feel as if you already are experiencing your desire NOW (as Jesus clearly explained). You can use your imagination to invoke the feelings but make sure they are in the NOW (and do it for the fun of it and because it feels good... not because you are creating the future). Future implies Mind... and the ego has ZERO power.

There is not so much a stuck state for Intention Consciousness per say... only really an ignorance state about it and how it works. It is possible to use the power for evil. So we will say that those who are aware of and use the Intention Consciousness but are stuck (using no higher levels) can be considered sources of immense evil. Satan and the Demons and Illuminati Satanic Witchcraft (not the fluffy fake stuff) are the majority of those who are sticky intentions.



Super Consciousness; This level transcends both Mind and Soul. This is often called the ego death. There is no thought nor feelings in Super Consciousness. And therefore there is no Intention per say. However there is God Intention in Super Consciousness. The brain in Super Consciousness (having no thoughts or feelings) experiences pure awareness; a blissful state. The entire brain resonates at the same coherent frequency. This feeds the entire brain and makes holistic synaptic connections throughout. The result of those who practice Super Consciousness is that their brain has a holistic consciousness that stays with them, giving them a (higher intelligence) global or universal perspective that drives their Intent.

Other examples in physics that utilize aggregate coherence are superconductivity (zero resistance to the flow of electrons), and superfluidity (zero hydrodynamic drag {resistance} to a fluid flow).

You should note here that all these forms of aggregate coherence have the same effect; they remove resistance. In other words this is the only real way to unstick your Mind and Soul. Interestingly enough is not "Satan" one that RESISTS God???



God Consciousness; This may be the highest level created beings can achieve. Essentially it is converged coherence. It is the only method to create! All energy form in the universe came from converged coherence. All over unity technology uses converged coherence in one way or another. I don't know if it is possible for a single person to achieve God Consciousness alone. But I do know for a fact that it can be done with only two people present (even Jesus said where ever there are two or more present there I am among you).

One way to do it is to have two individuals practicing Super Consciousness right next to each other. There brains will resonate at the same coherent frequency (that of the earth). Now just as Super Consciousness has amazing effects on the individual, God Consciousness has an exponential effect. The sum God Intention power of a group of those all doing Super Consciousness (in God Consciousness) is SQUARED.

So, if two people are doing Super Consciousness together... the God Intention power (God Consciousness) is as if FOUR people were doing it! The effect is not only quadrupled on each of them individually it actually spills over to the surrounding society causing effects in those having nothing to do with it... It is a scientific fact that God Consciousness lowers the crime rate and even decrease fighting and death in war zones!

This may in fact be a way to defeat Satan... imprisoning him as it were because of God Consciousness blocking his effect.


The other day I was experimenting with brain wave entrainment through binaural beats. Basically I put my brain and another persons brain in full coherence... and because we were next to each other the effect was squared (converging).... it was as if 100 people were doing Super Consciousness together (100^2=10,000 God Intention power)... that is how powerful it felt.

Thanks for the synopsis Mars. I find it that the subject of how the mind works interesting and beneficial in my life, though I realize some people find the subject disconcerting.
..Many Christians follow the Bible's leed in using the expression "heart", without realizing the Bible is refering to the subconscious, the "inner person".
..The WTS often admonishes prayer and meditation as necessary for Christians, siting the fact that Jesus is said to engage in this practice. However, they define meditation as deep, serious thought about spiritual matters.
..I believe that meditation is rather a state where there is less actual thoughts occurring in ones mind. It is a stillness where the conscious mind is relaxed enough so that a person can experience a oneness with his environment, including all life forms.
..In a sleeping state, the conscious mine shuts down, allowing the sub subconscious to float freely in dream world. This is not the case in a meditative state. The conscious mind is still in control, the person is awake, but he is directing his sub subconscious to be responsive to his desired purpose.
..In this state, the person can be most receptive to Gods direction through holy spirit, if that is whats desired. No doubt this was the purpose of Jesus' meditation.
..Or, the sub subconscious can be directed to solve a perplexing problem, or an abstract concept. It can also be used to heal the body.
..Often the full benefits are not realized until after meditation, when the conscious mind can utilize and ponder in a cognitive way, what the sub subconscious revealed.
..This is similar to cognitive dreaming, where, prior to sleeping, the conscious mind programs the sub subconscious as to what it should dream about, and also directs it to be remembered by the conscious mind upon awakening.
..The sub C. also is where, what Christians refer to as their Christian trained conscience., also known as the Super Ego. The S E cannot be easily altered, but can be molded, and indeed, the Bible tells us to "guard the heart", which is our S E.

Oh! Hum,

As promised, I have looked at your thoughts on this subject.

My take: Well, whatever you think works for you.

As far as states of consciousness go, I'll stick with the four that are defined by thousands of years of Yogic science.

What you arrived at, looks as if you took the four, threw them in a blender with a generous portion of Eckhart Tolle, Abraham-Hicks, the aliens they associate with, and a huge slice of your intellect and ego.

Yes, I read your website. And, I am familiar with Jerry and Esther.

Concerning the last two "kinds of consciousness" you claim exist; these look like nothing more than your personal twist on the final state of consciousness as defined, once again by Yogic science: samadhi.

Whether you call it samadhi, nirvana, Turiya, superconsciousness, God or Christ consciousness, etc., is immaterial.

Samadhi has two major stages, each with their own sub-levels, as I'm sure you are well aware.

I'll stop here, as this is a Christian discussion board, and some folks may be uncomfortable with such a subject.

If you wish, we may continue via PM.


"Two Lepta"

Love to All,
John

Very nice connection to the bible there. I actually asked God why the heck I kept sinning and could not control my desires... the result was that I learned about the nature of the subconscious or heart... starting first with the scriptures that point the way... all one has to do is hypnotize themselves (or becomes aware of how they are already hypnotizing themselves)... and they can become anything and overcome any recurring sin. In other words pop out of soul consciousness and become the observer of it or intentionally create your own soul. I do both. I currently have subliminals running on my screen right now priming my mind. lol

I suppose there are several ways to categorize different kinds of consciousness;

Awake, Dreaming, Sleeping, Meditation

Reasoning, Hypnosis, ..., Super Consciousness

I suppose being Awake is the realm of Reasoning... and Dreaming is the realm of Hypnosis.


Regarding the Vedic Science of Consciousness;

The observer (Rishi), observed (Chhandas), and process of observing (Devata) are unified in a three-in-one structure (Samhita) at the level of pure consciousness.

There is also four levels of consciousness;

Vaikhari (articulated thoughts, almost speech)
Madhyama (conceptual thought, feelings)
Pashyanti (most refined most abstract feeling)
PARA (pure awareness)

Super Consciousness is PARA and Samhita as explained by John Hagelin.

Intention Consciousness with respects to the teachings of Eckhart Tolle is Pashyanti and Devata a silent presence in the NOW. But during direction of Intention Consciousness with respects to the teachings of Abraham-Hicks it is Madhyama and Chhandas in the NOW.

Soul Consciousness and hypnosis is Madhyama and Chhandas.

Mind Consciousness and reasoning is Vaikari and Rishi.

God Consciousness though is only achieved when groups of people are in Samhita together. PARA then becomes exponential in effect and actually takes over the surrounding area creating more coherence in the brains of other people not involved.

All the spiritual powers are in Devata and directing Madhyama. All the knowledge and understanding is in Rishi.

Madhyama is our guidance system that lets us know what we are creating. If we feel bad we are not in alignment with our desire... in fact when we feel bad we are creating what we do not want. If we feel good we are attracting what we do want in life. So, it really is good to feel good... and for no other reason but for the fun of it! lol

Eckhart Tolle doesn't teach directing Madhyama because he says our creations naturally come in polarities... so when we focus on a particular good thing we would have the tendency to make sure the bad is not happening which invokes Vaikari which looses the power of the NOW and often results in bad feelings switching the Madhyama around in the reverse direction of your original desire.

This is why when I create, I intentionally create in polarity; for example "I feel,... I am" and "Humble,... God".

I say the polarities in a slightly separated way so that my mind is confused as to what I actually mean. Am I qualifying the "I am" with the "I feel" to weaken it or is it separate... and a double effective of magnitude... that not only do I know I am I feel it too!!!? Same/similar effect with Humble,... God.

To say "I feel" is a weak statement.
To say "I am" is a powerful statement.

Humble is lowly
God is highest

I feel,... I am neither Humble, nor God (prevents Vaikari induced Madhyama reversal from polarities).

For example, if you tried to created yourself as Humble you would quickly become self-delusional and depressed.

Also, if you tried to created yourself as God you would equally become delusional and depressed.

No created being can achieve either by polarizing their Madhyama into one of them.

Rather, I feel,... I am,... Humble,... God. A new creation. No matter what... when my Vaikari pops up to see if my power is working... it will be working (I have sufficiently confused it enough). lol So, it never reverses the Madhyama.

So I get the benefits of both worlds... I never look down on people,... and I receive spiritual powers.

Oh! Hum,

Hummm...

El Wrongo

Waking, Dreaming, Deep Sleep, Turiya.

These are the four states of consciousness verified by thousands of years of Yogic science.

Meditation and Super Conciousness are not the same.

The former is the vehicle, the latter the destination.

Meditation is the seventh rung on the ladder of Yoga, and it is the sole gateway (save by grace, Yogicly speaking, natch ) by which one can achieve that which is called samadhi, Turiya, or super/God conciousness, the eighth rung; as verified by the direct experience of countless Rishis and Yogis.

However, your melding of the wisdom of the ancient seers and more recent unverified theories (Tolle, Hicks, Hagelin, etc), remains just that; unverified.

As I said in my last post; whatever works for you.

Give it fifty or a hundred years as your research gets off the ground, and get back to me, I'll be around.

In one incarnation or another...

Unless, of course, I've returned to the Infinite...

Then, I'll contact you...

You suppose... You said in your post you were teaching us.

The Rishis warn against fooling with the "stuff" of the mind, unless under the supervision of a competent teacher.

The Vedas and the Sutras are full of such warnings.

I gotta hit this one again ...

Unfortunately many are awake, but they've left the realm.

Others refuse to enter it.

OK, one more time ...

Hypnosis takes place in the deep sleep state.

Ergo... "You're getting sleepy, very sleeeepy... You've fallen into a deeep sleeep".

I've never heard... "You're getting dreamy, very dreeaamy... You've fallen into dream land".

So, basically what you're saying is that what the Rishis call, "pairs of opposites" (heat/cold, pleasure/pain, anger/joy, attachment/non-attachment, etc./non-etc.), no longer afflict you, 24/7/365?

So, that puts you in the enlightened being or Buddahood club?

I've read your website: http://mysiddhi.freehostia.com/Spiritual...ences.html, where you wrote you have spoken with Christ, Satan, and God.



But who am I to question.

Foot in your mouth? Hagelin is the number one teacher of the Vedic Sciences in the world;

http://hagelin.org/

Hicks is basically teaching how to use the Prākāmya Siddhi;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siddhi

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God is my teacher. All of you are, and everything is, his messengers to me.

Sounds like you only know of hypnosis... that you don't actually know by experience. I do hypnosis... so I know what it is. It is not "deep sleep". The brain does not go into the delta brain wave during hypnosis. But during "deep sleep" the brain IS in the delta brain wave.

"you're getting sleepy... etc" is just a story that is asked to be played out in some hypnotic inductions. You can hypnotize people while they are completely "awake".... and have them remain fully "awake".

You invoke their imagination and have them become the story you are telling. Day dreaming is basically the same door way... though unguided.

If you create your own dreams and feel them as if they are real... you are hypnotizing yourself.

I feel I am saying that one is not afflicted by the creation of their own "pairs of opposites".

Foot in my mouth, not at all.

In spite of Hagelin impressive accomplishments, he is merely one of dozens of "Personalities" who have taken the Holy Science and slicked it up to appeal to the materialistic west.

I know not of his intentions, but there is sound reason why the deep things of Yoga are not taught to the masses.

There is that "thousands of years" thing I keep repeating, it's practical experience.

Another "Personality" who will be nothing more than a blip on the field, compared to the Great Masters.

But a very, insanely, rich one, as "higher consciousness" continues to be the vogue.

Yes, and at what price, which seminar do we sign up for.

My Grand Master possessed the same siddhi, and more.

The difference is a Master cares not for the attachments of this world.

A Master never asks anything from his students.

Mine never asked anything from me.

As his, never asked anything from him.

P.S. Hum,

As I said in my first post on this thread, some folks may be uncomfortable with a discussion of Yogic things.

This is a Christian discussion board, after all.

From this point, my replies to you on this subject will be via PM, as I suggested.

John is not teaching them any gross powers that can hurt anyone. He is only teachings them Super consciousness and God consciousness. It is impossible to misuse those!

Here is an example of what John is actually responsible for in this world;

http://istpp.org/news/2007_11_ia_assembly.html

John has also demonstrated that the structure of consciousness found in the Rik Veda corresponds to the harmonics of the superstring!

Maybe a blip compared to long dead masters... but a giant today.

I haven't paid a dime to watch all her teaching videos on youtube.

I have some ten videos of her teachings in this link that you can watch for free right now;

http://mysiddhi.freehostia.com/spiritual...etric.html


I have never had a human master... so, maybe I am just ignorant of your path.

I have heard of such a master student type thing that passes down the most esoteric spiritual powers.

for example; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_E6sRQQAg

and here is another; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE

I hear in such a situation a master choses his students... and not the other way around.

For me, I have learned to attract what ever I want to learn... mind you it only took me seven years to learn God's nature enough to be able to absolutely prove God exists.... and this is from holding the intention of being able to prove God.... and thus attracting the circumstances and things in life that would teach me... as I desired.

I had asked God to teach me the spiritual powers... but I was told that I have to learn how to subdue myself first before I can be given any powers... obviously it would be a mess to have a person of low consciousness use spiritual powers that could potentially hurt someone.

My spiritual powers increase every day... but I would be open to learning from a master... assuming they have powers that I do not already have and use or if theirs are considerably greater. Assuming they even have the ability to teach. I can learn from anyone though... this is why I have never needed a human master nor paid anyone for their teachings to reach the level I have.

Heaven forbid Christians remain spiritually ignorant to time indefinite.

Oh the arrogance of Youth.

John 16:12 -
"I have many thingsto say to you, but you are not able to bear them at present"

Keeping with this principle from the Greatest Master, further comments that might offend the sensibilities of others are confined to PM.

This is in essence, a discussion of Yoga, which can be defined loosely as mastery of one's states of conciousness.

Some Christians cannot reconcile the principles of Yoga, states of consciousness, meditation, etc. with their Christianity.

I will comment here only without the possibility of offending others.

When they are ready, Jehovah will guide them to enlightenment of His choosing.

By the way, who says Christians are spiritually ignorant?

Is that how you view them?


Oh! Hum,
"You got mail!"


"Two Lepta"
Love to All,
John

As I said to HG in my last post, I have PM'ed him my response to his last post.

I am posting a "redacted" form of it here, if others are curious about certain points, I will be happy to PM them that info.

No confidentiality has been or will be violated.

Regards,
John

That being said...

You are dead wrong here son.

While the fruits of deep meditation reap great benefits, in the "hands" of untutored/unprepared persons, ..., it can cause further damage to such an individual.

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...That is why the ... Hagelin, Hicks, and the other profiteers teach is fatally flawed from the moment they open their mouths.

They can provide no surety what they have taught has not harmed anyone.

A "giant" building tons of negative karma that might take eons to attenuate...

Perhaps you haven't paid a dime, but there are others that have paid millions.

Ask Jerry and Esther to give away their millions they have made off their books, videos, workshops, etc..

See if they would be willing to take on only a handful of students in the fashion of True Masters, teach them, and ask nothing from them.

This is the first thing you have written with which I completely agree.

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It took me one single breath.

Are you sure you pushed the send button? Because my thingy doesn't say I have mail and I did check.

You can email me if you wish; subtlevirtue@gmail.com