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The Society's View Of Elders.

By Alan Feuerbacher

After personal experience and a good deal of research, I see little justification for the statement that elders today are "appointed by holy spirit." The elder arrangement certainly has many benefits to the congregation, but it is the Governing Body or its representative that actually appoints elders to their positions, upon the recommendation of a local body of elders.1, 2, 3 Now please don't interpret what I'm saying here as anything other than precisely what I'm writing. I do not now, and never have, personally had problems with elders. I have had only good relations with elders, and have a great deal of respect for their position and the fine work they do. The material I'm presenting here concerns itself only with the question, Are elders directly appointed by holy spirit?

I am convinced that when the Society's publications imply that elders are directly "appointed by holy spirit" they are on shaky ground. The situation that caused me to come to this conclusion arose about 1977, when an elder in the congregation I was attending attempted to have a ministerial servant disfellowshipped for breaking certain laws of the land. The body of elders was unable to come to a definite decision on the matter. The ministerial servant was privately reproved, and shortly afterwards the reproof was seen to have been in error and revoked. Some disputing arose in the congregation over the conduct of the matter. After many months, the body of elders realized it was unable to come to a decision, and consulted the Society. Elders from a nearby congregation were called in, and the matter was finally resolved by concluding that it never should have been brought up in the first place.

These events caused me to seriously question the idea that elders have been "appointed by holy spirit," since it was clear to me that the elder who started the trouble couldn't have been so appointed, and it was also clear that the other elders were not being directed by holy spirit in their handling of the case. I wrote to the Society explaining these things, and they forwarded my letter to the current circuit overseer. We eventually discussed the events and my questions at length. Finally he gave me a straight answer. He said, rather reluctantly, No, elders are not actually "appointed by holy spirit," in the sense of Jehovah directly appointing a particular individual, but since the elder arrangement is Bible based, it could be said that elders in a general sense are "appointed by holy spirit."

This explanation was enough to satisfy me at the time, but many Watchtower articles and other publications since then convinced me this was not the understanding the Society wanted Jehovah's Witnesses to have. Rather, the thrust of the articles was to enhance the authority of congregational elders by saying that members of the congregation should be submissive to those "appointed by holy spirit," and that criticizing or even questioning elders' decisions was disloyal. Over a period of time it became clear to me that the Society is not particularly interested in the truth of this matter, but is interested only in seeing that people become and remain loyal Jehovah's Witnesses.

Several quotations from a recent Watchtower should illustrate what I mean about the above point and about my concerns on "direct appointment by holy spirit."4

Overseers have been spirit-appointed to care for the spiritual needs of the congregation.

Is this a direct appointment, or an indirect appointment? The statement implies action on the part of the holy spirit, not simply the idea that holy spirit inspired the Bible, and so on.

As Paul wrote: "Let the older men who preside in a fine way be reckoned worthy of double honor...."

Is this passage saying, "Let the older men, who preside in a fine way...", or is it saying, "Let the older men who preside in a fine way..."? There is a world of difference in meaning with and without a comma. One implies all older men preside in a fine way, whereas the other implies some may and some may not.

....only those meeting Scriptural requirements are appointed as elders.

Is this only the goal? Or is this actually realized by the direct action of God?

....let us appreciate and accept the Bible-based direction of the elders as coming from God.

The phrase "as coming from God" is vague and non-committal. Is the Watchtower saying that when elders give direction, it is always Bible-based and always comes directly from God, or that when elders give direction, it is always Bible-based and therefore comes indirectly from God, or that when elders give direction, it should be Bible-based and we should view it as if it comes directly from God, or what? The example of the Keystone Cops elders I related above certainly was in the "what" category.

A detailed analysis of an article that purports to show why elders are "appointed by holy spirit" shows what I have found to be the usual methods in "proving" the point. This is from "Questions From Readers" on page 31 of the August 1, 1985 Watchtower. Let's see if we can find the answer to the question raised.

How does the holy spirit work along with the modern-day Governing Body in the appointment of elders?

The apostle Paul told Christian elders from Ephesus: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son." -- Acts 20:28.

Clearly this does not answer the question that was raised. The next paragraph acknowledges this. Also note that Paul was speaking to the elders in Ephesus. The Society must make a clear connection between this and its assertion that elders of Jehovah's Witnesses are the same as the elders in Ephesus. This connection should have been made in the present discussion -- it should not have been assumed from unreferenced prior discussions.

Paul did not explain in detail how God's spirit functioned in such appointments.

The Watchtower here actually admits that it does not know the answer to the question it has raised. But the article gamely presses on.

However, we can gain insight from what occurred when the first-century governing body considered a question concerning circumcision. In summarizing their conclusion, they wrote: "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things." (Acts 15:28) How did God's spirit, his impersonal active force, contribute to the binding decision reached at that time?

So the early Christian governing body said that both it and the holy spirit made certain decisions, but it doesn't say how the holy spirit helped the decision-making process.

Acts chapter 15 shows that first Paul and Barnabas outlined the question. Then a discussion took place. The apostle Peter related what had led up to baptism of the uncircumcised Gentile Cornelius and his household. Peter explained that 'God bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also.' (Acts 15:7, 8; 10:9-48) Next Paul and Barnabas 'related the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations.' (Acts 15:12) Thus, by its operation on Peter, Cornelius, Paul, and Barnabas, the holy spirit indicated that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised.

So in some unspecified manner the holy spirit caused events to occur, and caused the disciples to do and say various things, that resulted in the disciples' knowing that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised.

Yet there were additional operations of the spirit involved in that decision reached by the governing body. We can assume that they had asked for the help of the spirit on their deliberations. Such help may have moved the disciple James to recall the prophecy at Amos 9:11, 12, and to see its application. That prophecy had, of course, been written under the inspiration of the holy spirit. (Acts 15:13-20)

Note that "we assume they asked" and then "help may have moved the disciple to...." This is stated after the article says there "were additional operations of the holy spirit...."

Furthermore, "the apostles and older men in Jerusalem" who made up the governing body were Christians who were anointed with holy spirit and who manifested its operation in their lives, such as by producing its fruits. -- Acts 15:2; Romans 8: 14-17; 1 Corinthians 7:40; Galatians 5:22,23.

Finally the article says something concrete.

So without there being some audible directive from heaven on the circumcision question, those of the governing body could accurately say that "the holy spirit" had led to their decision.

A fair conclusion.

It is similar with the appointment of Christian men to be elders, or overseers, in the congregations today.

The conclusion does not follow. Does this statement mean that all the events just described as happening with the early Christians in connection with the circumcision issue are similar to what happens with appointment of Christian men to be elders, or does it mean that this appointment is similar to what is about to be described in the rest of the paragraph? I hardly think it can be the first alternative, because who today is anointed by holy spirit with "tongues as if of fire" visible to others as a sign? Who gets personal visitations from the resurrected Jesus, as did Paul? Who gets dreams from God, as did Peter? Who performs miracles, as did some of the disciples? So the second alternative must be the choice: appointment of elders in the congregation today will be described in the rest of the paragraph.

Periodically a group of elders (likely including a traveling overseer of the Society) meet to consider recommending brothers for appointment as overseers. Those in the group have themselves been appointed as elders and they manifest in their lives that they have the spirit. Their discussion is opened with prayer for the spirit's guidance.

Does this mean that the holy spirit somehow "tweaks" some of the elders' minds during the discussion? If so, which ones, and how would anyone be able to tell?

Then, during the meeting, they analyze whether each brother being considered measures up to the qualifications for elders set out in the Bible, which have been recorded under the direction of holy spirit. (1 Timothy 3:2-7; Titus 1:5-9)

Setting up for the indirect appointment argument.

They also consider whether the brother evidences in his manner of life that he is "full of spirit and wisdom." (Acts 6:3) If they agree that he is of that sort and meets the qualifications to a reasonable degree, their recommendation is forwarded to the spirit-designated Governing Body or its chosen representatives.

Where files are checked to see if there are any problems with this candidate the local elders don't know about, and the Governing Body or its representatives pray over many similar matters and then record the appointment in their files.

Later the congregation may be informed that the brother has been appointed.

In summary, this paragraph states that the local elders talk about the candidate, pray about his appointment, and get the Governing Body's official approval. The paragraph implies, but does not explicitly state, that because various pieces of the appointment process (the local elders, the traveling overseer, the Bible, the Governing Body and its representatives) have been put in place by God's work through the holy spirit, the resulting appointment is also a result of God's work through the holy spirit. But this process is not the same as direct action on God's part, in the manner that Bible writers are said to be inspired by God. This was the essence of my complaint to the Society years ago, as a result of which the circuit overseer admitted to me that this is not what actually happens, but which fact the Society does everything in its power to conceal. You should note that the Society has not made a clear connection between the conclusion of the last paragraph and its assertion that elders of Jehovah's Witnesses are the same as the elders of the first century. It has simply assumed this from unreferenced prior discussions.

The last paragraph, justifiably confident that readers will not have seen the subterfuge, continues:

Understandably, the appointed elder is still imperfect and may have limitations. But the apostles were imperfect, both before Jesus chose them and later when they served on the governing body. (Luke 9:46,54; 22:54-62; Galatians 2:11-14) They certainly did, though, have God's spirit and were appointed under its guidance. Comparably, brothers and sisters can be confident that 'the holy spirit has appointed the overseers, to shepherd the congregation.' (Acts 20:28) It is regarding such men that the counsel is given: "Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate their faith." -- Hebrews 13:7.

It should be evident by this point why I do not believe that the Society wants Jehovah's Witnesses to understand that elders are not actually "appointed by holy spirit" in the sense of Jehovah directly appointing a particular elder. It should also be clear that this question is part of the reason I am unconvinced of the Society's devotion to truth.

This is not a trivial point, whether elders are directly or indirectly appointed. Anyone may claim that if he uses the Bible as a basis for his decisions, then to the extent that he uses it correctly he is guided by God. But Witnesses would not accept this explanation from a Catholic for the reason that they believe the Catholic church is not directed by God in any manner. But the question of whether Catholics are or are not directed by God has no relevance to the Society's claim that its use of the Bible as a basis for the elder arrangement, and elder's correct use of the Bible, are bases for claiming guidance by God. By the same token the Society is not justified in implying that because elders may in a certain sense be indirectly "appointed by holy spirit" they are also directly "appointed by holy spirit." If the Society wants to make this claim it should do so on grounds which are explicitly and clearly explained.

I would appreciate clarification of these points. In particular I should like to know whether what the circuit overseer told me years ago was correct at the time, or not.

I wish to comment on one more point concerning elders. Occasionally it is admitted that elders can do wrong or even make mistakes. For example, a Watchtower article said regarding how appropriate it is to obey authority in the Christian congregation:5

But it does not mean that we obey such authority without giving due consideration to what is being said. Why?

The apostle John offered this counsel: "Do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God".... This does not mean that we should be suspicious of everything others tell us. Rather, we bear in mind Paul's words at Galatians 1:8: "Even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond what we declared to you as good news, let him be accursed."

Is the information before us different from what we have been taught through "the faithful and discreet slave"? Is the person spreading that message speaking to honor the name of Jehovah, or is he trying to exalt himself? Is the information in harmony with the overall teachings of the Bible? These are questions that will help us in 'testing' anything that may sound questionable. We are admonished to "make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine."....

Jehovah does not expect us to show blind credulity. He does not want from us the kind of obedience that a trainer gets from a beast with a bridle or a whip. That is why he told David: "Do not make yourselves like a horse or mule without understanding, whose spiritedness is to be curbed even by bridle or halter." (Psalm 32:9) Rather, Jehovah has endowed us with thinking ability and discernment so that, based on understanding, we can choose to obey him.

In Japanese, the word kiku (to hear) includes the meaning not only of listening and obeying but also of judging whether a thing is good or bad. When someone speaks to us, it is good to listen in this sense so that when obeying, we do so not by mere credulity but by choice. When our heavenly Father, Jehovah God, speaks, whether through his Word, the Bible, or through his earthly organization, it is all the more important for us to listen and obey, thus proving that we are obedient worshipers who do not ignore the loving reminder: "Did you hear me?"

These are fine words and I agree wholeheartedly with them. However, the article says not a word about what one should do if one ever finds something coming from the Society that one cannot in good conscience agree with. And at no time have I seen published material stating what a publisher should do if an elder does something he thinks is unquestionably wrong, but that is not in the disfellowshipping category. The Society provides no formal outlet for dealing with this, and without a formal outlet, most Witnesses will act like horses or mules because that is the way the Society has trained them.

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
The problem with viewing each and every appointment as being "by holy spirit", is, that history has shown that this is not the case....as per the following experience in the 2004 yearbook.

Quote:
*** yb04 p. 110 Moldova ***

Another KGB ploy was to train special agents to pose as “active” Jehovah’s Witnesses who would then try to obtain responsible positions in the organization. Of course, these spies would keep the KGB well-informed. The KGB also secretly approached genuine Witnesses, trying to bribe them with large sums of money for their cooperation.

Sadly, these devious methods had a measure of success in disrupting the unity of the brothers, including those in Moldova.


Then there is this quote from the "Daniel" book:

Quote:
*** dp chap. 16 p. 274 par. 8 The Contending Kings Near Their End ***

Not all who professed to have an interest in serving God during the Cold War years had good motives. The angel had warned: “Many will certainly join themselves to them by means of smoothness.” (Daniel 11:34b) A considerable number showed an interest in the truth but were not willing to make a dedication to God. Yet others who seemed to accept the good news were really spies for the authorities. A report from one land reads: “Some of these unscrupulous characters were avowed Communists who had crept into the Lord’s organization, made a great display of zeal, and had even been appointed to high positions of service.”


The individual witness must assume the responsibility for determining by the scriptures and the elder's example as to whether he is "under the spirit" or not. To follow, without question, anyone who says he was appointed by holy spirit, is naive and can lead to disaster, either personally or collectively.

Love, Rez:giverose:

Interesting to note that of the 12 that Jesus choose, Judas, proved unfaithful to his assignment, and he was hand picked by Jesus, clearly Jesus made no mistake by chooseing him, but Judas did change.

Same happens today, as at the time of there appointment a man is meeting the scriptural requirements, thus demostrating that he is working in harmony with the holy spirit, and thus it is active in his life.

But men can and do change and quit working in harmony with the Holy spirit. Some can serve for a time, while not in harmony with the spirit, but they are expoused in time, and even if some seem to be getting away with a dual life, it does not get by Jehovah.

At the first level of consideration, a brother was being considered by the local body of elders, the brother was willing to accept the responsability, the elders were praying over the matter while waiting the CO's visit, before the CO came the brother being considered came forward as to why he could not serve, there was the need for private reproof to be given as the brother had been engaged in serious wrong doing, but because of his attitude, there was no need for DFing. I saw this happen.

Another case in point, with a different brother being considered, the week of the CO's visit he was seen in a public display which disqualified him from serving.

A case in point from the society, while reviewing the letter of recomondation, the wording of the letter rose a question, and after futher communication, it was found that the brother did not qualify.

And as always when using imperfect men to follow and apply the scriptures, some do get appointed, as men can be fooled, but the holy spirit and Jehovah cannot be fooled, Jehovah allows it to happen, for 2 reasons I can think of 1. serves as a refinement, will the faithfull allow a corupt man to come between them and there relationship with God, 2. Showing the truth of Jeremiah 10:23  I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

For any that are interested here is an article from the WT and they have published simular ones every few years.

"*** w01 1/15 pp. 12-16 Overseers and Ministerial Servants Theocratically Appointed ***

Theocratic—Not Democratic—Appointment

5 Mature oversight by qualified overseers and the able assistance of ministerial servants are required to care for the spiritual needs of the growing number of active ministers. (Philippians 1:1) How are such spiritual men appointed? Not by methods like those employed in Christendom. For instance, Christian overseers are not elected democratically, that is, by receiving the votes of the majority of the people associated with a congregation. Instead, these appointments are made theocratically. What does that mean?

6 Simply stated, a true theocracy is rule by God. Witnesses of Jehovah voluntarily submit to his rulership and cooperate together in order to do the divine will. (Psalm 143:10; Matthew 6:9, 10) Appointments of Christian overseers, or elders, and ministerial servants are theocratic because the process of recommending and appointing such responsible men is carried out according to God’s arrangement as set out in the Holy Scriptures. And as the “head over all,” Jehovah of course has the right to determine how his visible organization will operate.—1 Chronicles 29:11; Psalm 97:9.

7 In contrast with many religious groups in Christendom, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not decide for themselves the form of spiritual government under which they operate. These sincere Christians endeavor to stick to Jehovah’s standards. Overseers among them are not put into office by some congregational, hierarchical, or presbyterian form of church government. If elements of the world seek to interfere with these appointments, Jehovah’s people refuse to compromise. Steadfastly, they maintain the position so well expressed by the apostles in the first century when they said: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 5:29) Thus, the Witnesses subject themselves to God in all things. (Hebrews 12:9; James 4:7) Following theocratic procedure brings divine approval.

8 As servants of the Great Theocrat, Jehovah, we do well to bear in mind the differences between democratic and theocratic procedures. Democratic processes call for equal representation and are often characterized by campaigning for office and election by majority vote. Such procedures are not involved in theocratic appointments. These do not come from men; nor do they proceed from some legal entity. Apparently alluding to his own appointment by Jesus and Jehovah as “an apostle to the nations,” Paul told the Galatians that he had been appointed “neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead.”—Romans 11:13; Galatians 1:1.

Appointed by Holy Spirit

9 Paul reminded overseers living in Ephesus that they had been appointed by God through holy spirit. He said: “Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.” (Acts 20:28) Those Christian overseers needed to continue to be led by holy spirit as they carried out their duties as shepherds of the flock of God. If a man who occupied an appointed office no longer met the divine standard, in time holy spirit would operate to remove him from his position.

10 How is it that the holy spirit plays a pivotal role? First of all, the record that sets out requirements for spiritual oversight was inspired by holy spirit. In his letters to Timothy and Titus, Paul outlined the standards to be met by overseers and ministerial servants. Altogether, he mentioned some 16 different requirements. For instance, overseers were to be irreprehensible, moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, hospitable, qualified to teach, and exemplary as family heads. They were to be balanced in the use of alcoholic beverages, were not to be lovers of money, and were to exercise self-control. Similarly, high standards were set for men reaching out for appointment as ministerial servants.—1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9.

11 A review of these qualifications shows that those who take the lead in Jehovah’s worship must be exemplary in Christian conduct. Men who reach out for congregational responsibility must give evidence that holy spirit is operating on them. (2 Timothy 1:14) It must be evident that God’s spirit is producing in these men the fruitage of “love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control.” (Galatians 5:22, 23) Such fruitage would be manifested in their dealings with fellow believers and others. Of course, some may excel in displaying certain fruits of the spirit, while others may meet other qualifications for overseers to a superior degree. In their overall pattern of life, however, all who hope to be appointed as overseers or ministerial servants should demonstrate that they are spiritual men, measuring up to the requirements of God’s Word.

12 When Paul exhorted others to become imitators of him, he could do so with freeness of speech because he himself was imitating Jesus Christ, who ‘left us a model for us to follow his steps closely.’ (1 Peter 2:21; 1 Corinthians 11:1) Those meeting the Scriptural requirements at the time of their appointment as overseers or ministerial servants may thus be said to have been appointed by holy spirit.

13 There is another factor that indicates how the holy spirit operates in the recommendation and appointment of overseers. Jesus said that ‘the Father in heaven gives holy spirit to those asking him.’ (Luke 11:13) So when the elders in the local congregation meet to recommend men for congregational responsibility, they pray for God’s spirit to guide them. They base their recommendations on what is stated in God’s inspired Word, and holy spirit enables them to discern whether an individual being considered for appointment meets the Scriptural requirements. Those making the recommendations are not to be unduly influenced by outward appearance, educational attainments, or natural abilities. Their primary focus must be on whether the person is a spiritual man, one whom members of the congregation would not hesitate to approach for spiritual counsel.

14 While bodies of elders share with traveling overseers in recommending brothers to serve as elders and ministerial servants, the actual appointments are made according to the pattern set in the first century. On one occasion, a need arose for spiritually qualified men to care for an important assignment. The governing body gave the following direction: “Search out for yourselves seven certified men from among you, full of spirit and wisdom, that we may appoint them over this necessary business.” (Acts 6:1-3) While men on the scene made the recommendations, the appointments were made by responsible men there in Jerusalem. A similar pattern is followed today.

15 The Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses directly appoints all members of Branch Committees. When deciding who can assume such a weighty responsibility, the Governing Body has in mind Jesus’ statement: “Everyone to whom much was given, much will be demanded of him; and the one whom people put in charge of much, they will demand more than usual of him.” (Luke 12:48) In addition to appointing Branch Committee members, the Governing Body appoints Bethel elders and traveling overseers. However, they do commission responsible brothers to act for them in making certain other appointments. There is Scriptural precedent also for this.

‘Make Appointments, as I Gave You Orders’

16 Paul told his coworker Titus: “For this reason I left you in Crete, that you might correct the things that were defective and might make appointments of older men in city after city, as I gave you orders.” (Titus 1:5) Paul then outlined the qualifications that Titus was to look for in men who would qualify for such appointments. Today, therefore, the Governing Body appoints qualified brothers at the branches to represent it in making appointments of elders and ministerial servants. Care is taken that those acting representatively on behalf of the Governing Body clearly understand and follow the Scriptural guidelines for making such appointments. Hence, it is under the direction of the Governing Body that qualified men are appointed to serve in the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide.

17 When recommendations for appointment of overseers and ministerial servants are submitted to a branch office of the Watch Tower Society, experienced men rely on God’s spirit for guidance in making the appointments. These men feel a sense of accountability, realizing that they must not lay their hands hastily upon any man, lest they share in his sins.—1 Timothy 5:22.

18 Certain appointments may be transmitted by a letter bearing an official stamp from a legal entity. Such a letter may be used to appoint more than one brother in the congregation.

19 Theocratic appointments come from Jehovah through his Son and God’s visible earthly channel, “the faithful and discreet slave” and its Governing Body. (Matthew 24:45-47) The whole process of such recommendation and appointment is directed, or guided, by holy spirit. This is the case because the qualifications are set out in God’s Word, which is inspired by holy spirit, and the individual appointed gives evidence of producing the fruitage of that spirit. Therefore, the appointments are to be viewed as being made by holy spirit. Just as overseers and ministerial servants were appointed theocratically in the first century, the same is true today."
Hi bcallan

It's fun to cut and paste from the WT Cd eh?...grin.

Let's get serious for a moment...ok?

The Draw Close To Jehovah book on page 208 states:

" The clergy of Christendom may think that they are being reasonable when they tickle the ears of their flocks by watering down Jehovah’s moral standards. (2 Timothy 4:3) But the human tendency to compromise for the sake of expediency has nothing to do with divine reasonableness. Jehovah is holy; never will he pollute his righteous standards."

Has the management of the WTBT Society (Governing Body) not "compromised for the sake of expediency" by their willful association to the United Nations as an NGO (agreeing to the UN Charter is a requirement of NGO status) and continued participation with the OSCE; not a violation of scripture?....(James 4:4..."4 Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?)

Does one not share "community responsibility" with such deliberate violators of Jehovah's principles by promoting them (GB) as Jehovah's exclusive channel of holy spirit?

(some references...)

http://perimeno.ca/Letters_1107_OSCE.htm

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

Christian love,

gogh
all societies have bodies of elders and govening bodies , aboriginals, islanders, amazonians, in the western world they are called politicians, govenments, etc.

so its only logical that there would be this arrangement with religous groups as well to keep some kind of order and functioning as a community -

the problem i have with the wts govenment system is its lack of care and concern for its sheep - i was expecting the so called "true religion" to be outstanding in its policies in implimenting love and care for it fellow man - and espcially its members - after all this is supposed to be the outstanding "mark" of true christians

it depresses me to see the lack of humility by these elders - and when there is a total show of neglect, its put down to imperfection!
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