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On the ketogenic diet, carbohydrates are severely restricted and so cannot provide for all the metabolic needs of the body. Most energy is instead produced by a high rate of fatty-acid oxidation in the cell mitochondria. This produces large amounts of acetyl-CoA, which the liver uses to synthesize the three ketone bodies beta-hydroxybutyrate, acetoacetate, and acetone. The brain is normally fueled in the average diet solely by glucose; fatty acids do not cross the blood-brain barrier. Ketone bodies can enter the brain but they are not used preferentially to glucose. The ketone bodies are converted to acetyl-CoA and subsequently to adenosine triphosphate (ATP) as part of the Krebs cycle within the brain mitochondria.

The ketogenic diet results in changes in neurotransmitter levels and the cerebral energy state is improved as well as adaptive changes to brain energy metabolism that increases the energy reserves; ketone bodies are a more efficient fuel than glucose, and the number of mitochondria is increased. This may help the neurons to remain stable in the face of increased energy demand, and may also confer a neuroprotective effect. It is found to have antiepileptogenic properties.

The best source for fatty-acid energy production is coconut because it has an abundance of medium-chain triglycerides, which are much more ketogenic than other fatty-acids. The most abundant oil in coconut is lauric acid which is found in breast milk and is required in the human diet to created 20% of our hormones. The derivative monoglyceride monolaurin is the substance that keeps infants from getting viral and bacterial or protozoal infections. Coconut is anticarcinogenic, antimicrobial, virucidal, improves insulin secretion and utilization of blood glucose, improves calcium and magnesium absorption and supports the development of strong bones and teeth, improves digestion and bowel function, reduces inflammation, improves cholesterol ratio reducing risk of heart disease, functions as a protective antioxidant, improves utilization of essential fatty acids and protects them from oxidation, dissolves kidney stones, supports thyroid function, increases metabolic rate,... just to name some of it's many health benefits... coconut may actually be the fruit from the tree of life!!!


Our original design was to utilize a ketogenic diet, and coconut is the only fruit capable of achieving it.

Fruits originally did not have so much sugar in them! They have been cultivated over the centuries to have excessive amounts of sugar.... If you were wondering how the other fruits fit in...

And if you are wonder why people would still die though eating from the tree of life you must remember the water radiation shield no longer exists to protect us!


I don't encourage you to buy the "coconut" from the average corporate store.... which is mostly water, sugar, and antifreeze anyway!

I personally get mine from this supplier;

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/...oconut.htm

Hello Mars. Hope your well. I just wanted to point out that there was no water radiation shield. As evidence of this studies have shown that aircraft crew and people who live on higher elevations get cancer less often then people who get more protection from radiation from the atmosphere. This is because small increases in radiation can switch on cancer protecting genes within the DNA. Hence second and subsequent generations of rodents from the chernobyl disaster area do not get any more instance of cancer from the surrounding radiation than rodents from uncontaminated areas. In fact they get cancer slightly less often because all their anti cancer genes are switched on and this affect is past on to the succeeding generations. This process would take longer with humans but only because of the longer life spans.

The logical upshot of these new discoveries is that God did not need a water canopy to protect humans from radiation which is further evidence that it didn’t ever exist. The water canopy theory is only about 100 years old and no one ever thought of such a thing for the thousands of years after genesis was written until recently.

I will have to look into these thoughts on radiation. Maybe you are right, though I have read that radiation is directly correlated to life span. And many types of radiation we cannot even detect. One should also consider that radio carbon 14 has not reach equilibrium concentration in the atmosphere yet even though it should only take 30,000 years to do so. So, either there was a reduced radiation flux reaching the atmosphere because of massive amounts of water in the thermosphere or God created the earth less than 30,000 years ago and didn't take into account carbon 14 equilibrium.

There are other effects of significant water being in the thermosphere besides radiation... such as atmospheric pressure.

It is a simple fact that many ancient animals could not fly given our current aerodynamics. And it is also a fact that giant insects cannot exist given our atmospheric pressure... because they require diffusion through their skin!

Another effect would be a change in gravitation density; many giant fauna and insects could not have even walked considering our current gravitational density!

One should also consider plate tectonics; that the granite lithosphere plates fit together completely... except on a smaller earth.

Where did the water go? Well, from osmotic and gravitational pressure the pure water absorbed into the earth and the earth absorbed into the water (salinity). Thus, the earth grew!

Watch this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ
...note I obviously disagree with his final conclusion

It would be remarkable if the idea you suggest could explain all these phenomena as the idea of thermospheric gaseous water falling to the earth (flood) does.

I dunno Brian...in the bible and other religions the sky was once considered a second ocean. And such a shield, if ruptured, could scientifically explain something such as the great flood. And if there used to be one, you can't prove it by science based on modern things because it's going to be using the elements of our current situation rather than the one that used to be. Personally I think the water radiation shield theory is a good one, especially since they have discovered other planets with it...mind you, I don't remember which ones, and based on the way my head feels right now, I'm not gonna stress myself out by looking .

Aww...If the coconut is the fruit of life I'm gonna go hungry in paradise Can't open them worth anything.

O dear. Well people believe what they wish. However science seems to be leaning in the direction of telomers as the mechanism for biological cell death not radiation. Experiments with human skin cells have successfully removed these and the result has been skin cells in a dish that continue to live and replace dead cells indefinitely as opposed to what happens in nature, which is a certain amount of cell death and replacement until the notches on the telomeres deplete and then the cell dies without replacing itself. This is basically the ageing process. The older one gets the less cells get replaced. In the end so few are left that death is inevitable. Radiation has very little to do with it.

As for a water canopy in orbit such a thing would be ice not liquid as anyone knows who has been into space. The division between the waters above and below that Genesis is referring to is the sea and clouds because clouds are made of water.

The thermosphere is the layer of the earth's atmosphere directly above the mesosphere and directly below the exosphere. Within this layer, ultraviolet radiation causes ionization.

The thermosphere, named from the Greek θερμός (thermos) for heat, begins about 80 km above the earth. At these high altitudes, the residual atmospheric gases sort into strata according to molecular mass (see turbosphere). Thermospheric temperatures increase with altitude due to absorption of highly energetic solar radiation by the small amount of residual oxygen still present. Temperatures are highly dependent on solar activity, and can rise to 15,000°C. Radiation causes the atmosphere particles in this layer to become electrically charged (see ionosphere), enabling radio waves to bounce off and be received beyond the horizon. At the exosphere, beginning at 500 to 2,000 km above the earth's surface, the atmosphere mixes into space.

The few particles of gas in this area can reach 2,500°C (4532°F) during the day. Even though the temperature is so high, one would not feel warm in the thermosphere, because it is so near vacuum that there is not enough contact with the few atoms of gas to transfer much heat. A normal thermometer would read significantly below 0°C.

The upper region of this atmospheric layer is called the ionosphere.

The dynamics of the lower thermosphere (below about 120 km) is dominated by atmospheric tide which is driven, in part, by the very significant diurnal heating. The atmospheric tide dissipates above this level since molecular concentrations do not support the coherent motion needed for fluid flow.

The International Space Station has a stable orbit within the upper part of the thermosphere, between 320 and 380 kilometres. The auroras also occur in the thermosphere. Wikipedia®

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Actually radiation destroys telomeres which is why radiation intensity has a direct correlation with life span.

Another interesting note is that there is uniquely a telomere sequence in the center of one of the human chromosomes (no other animal has this)! This may be the key that opens immortality. Who knows... maybe the radiation is effecting the reading of that telomere sequence.

It’s a nice diagram but doesn’t provide any scientific data as to what would happen to vast amounts of water high enough to be in a stable orbit. Plus it doesn’t come close to explaining how vast amounts of water could fall to earth from orbit without becoming superheated and poaching Noah and family to death. We know how hot rock gets when it crashes down from space and we know how a steam burn feels.

Interesting information about human telomeres but I would wait to see what science discovers about this unique human form before drawing any conclusions. The fact that humans and animals have natural genetic machinery for repairing genetic damage due to both certain forms of oxygen and radiation indicates to me that humans were by design supposed to live in an environment with radiation present. The fact that certain rocks like granite give a higher dose of radiation than that received from space would seem to indicate this.

To me additional evidence in support that radiation has nothing innately to do with human life span lies in the very rare incidence of pregeria in the world. There are only a hand full of cases in a population getting on for seven billion of this rare genetic disorder that results is a vastly speeded up ageing process, yet many more than that live past the age of 70 80 or even 100 which is well past the average human life span.

I have studied the nature and properties of water in all it's phases for years. I ran a power plant that had several boilers, cooling towers, and absorption chillers.

Basically... the lower the pressure the lower the temperature needed to turn water into a gas. That is why absorption chillers run under a vacuum!... Cooling water is sent through pipes into the chiller... the water temperature in the pipes (45 F) is far above the boiling temperature of the water in the chiller under vacuum so water in the chiller boils as it is sprayed on the pipes.

The temperature in the thermosphere is thousands of degrees and the pressure is low. Water in the thermosphere would necessarily be gas... if not plasma (ions)! Definitely not liquid and definitely not ice.

What would happen if the water fell to the earth? Well the pressure of that water would increase and therefore turn much of it into liquid and maybe some of it into ice. The ice in Antarctica maybe straight from the flood.

If you took the (45 F) gaseous water in the absorption chiller that is in a vacuum and put it under our atmospheric pressure (14 psi) it would instantly turn into liquid.

Pregeria is caused by the loss of the telomeres at the end of the chromosomes? If the telomere sequence in the center of one of our chromosomes was used as a template to regenerate the telomers at the end of the chromosomes we would have a mechanism for immortality.

I just buy the original thing, and crack open with sledge hammer.
I have a lovely bunch of coconuts......

vicky in silly mode

I use to do that but often the coconuts would turn out to be rotten inside.
And I usually seem to make a big mess... and it's a lot of work. lol

mars refrains from commenting on the silliness

Hay Mars, Great to see you again!
Thanks for the reminders on the benefits of Coconut. Do you recomend the milk also? How much do you need to eat to realize an improvement in brain function. (Please hurry with your answer)

Neuron function (as well as uncountable other health benefits) is improved most through a medium-chain triglyceride (coconut), ketogenic, and calorie restricted diet.

It would only take 5 days to produce results in your brain EEG!

Ketogenic means most of your energy is coming from the coconut... and you largely remove the carbohydrates from the diet.

Something very interesting... MCTs have more calories (energy) than carbohydrate by pound... and ketogenic metabolism is far more efficient than glycosis metabolism... and produces a higher energy state on the neurons and increases the number of mitochondria as well as the total energy reserves.

All together the effect is that you need eat very little food at all. I am actually surprised how little I eat now!

I prefer raw and organic... if you can find the milk in that form go for it. Though even if it is pasteurized and conventional ag it is probably better than nothing.

Here is a link to coconut milk... I would consider;

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/...t_milk.htm

Thanks Mars, I Googled Coconut . Very interesting. Im off to the health food store.

Ah, my first convert to eating of the tree of life. lol

Another interesting aspect of a coconut based ketogenic diet is that it produces the same beneficial bodily mechanisms as intense exercise and fasting. Except that you don't have to do intense exercise and you don't need to fast! lol