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How does one have monotheism left intact and the Idea that Jesus is God without resorting to the mystery trinity?

Answer……………………There are two Jehovah’s.

“Let US make man in OUR image.”

“Male and female he created THEM.”

TWO/ONE spirit create the Image of TWO/ONE flesh.
1Timothy 2:5...

"There is one God. There is also one mediator between God and human beings-a human, Christ Jesus."

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Indeed. Is he a man now?
He's spirit now, man.

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Yes Jehovah is salvation is mediating between us and Jehovah.
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Our Lord and Master Jesus appeared in HYVH's presence on our behalf....indicating separateness/distinct personages/wills.

Hebrews 9:24...

"For Christ did not go into a sanctuary made by human hands and just a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in God's presence on our behalf."

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Many assume that the meaning of the name Jesus is only in reference to Jehovah being responsible for salvation because we know Jesus means `Jehovah is salvation`. However what if the greater meaning is that Jesus is also Jehovah of the Old and New Testament, the visible Jehovah being the Word of God and the invisible Jehovah who is his father.

Joh 17:11 "Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.
Joh 17:12 When I was with them I used to watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me; and I have kept them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, in order that the scripture might be fulfilled.
I agree Gogh they are separate people with their own personal wills however it is also possible that Jesus is and was the Visible Jehovah. If they have the same name then it is not against Jewish or Christian monotheism to worship them both as one God. No need for a mystery. The Ten Commandments said that one must worship only Jehovah so how does God get away with wanting Christians and Jews to worship Jesus? The only realistic way without a mystery trinity is the idea of two Jehovah’s. If fact many scriptures support this idea.
Job 34:21 "For his eyes are upon the ways of a man, And he seeth all his goings."

The scripture does not say "their" eyes or "they" seeth.

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Why should it? As I said they are separate people, one being the father and the other being the son. Its not uncommon for fathers to name their firstborn with their own name.

Joh 17:11 "Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.
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Interesting thoughts.

Isnt this a step away from Pantheism? Big Grin








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Hello digi. Well not really because in this idea Jehovah the father and Jesus are not creation itself and it doesn’t contradict the idea that Jesus came from God or that Jesus created everything at his fathers direction.

Put at its simplest it is simply the idea that Jehovah named his only son Jehovah as well thus allowing Jesus to be counted as God. The implications are that monotheism is not broken and that Jesus is Jehovah’s vehicle for creation to experience God because he is as it were. No man may see God and live but we are told by Jesus that he who has seen Jesus has seen God.

Job 19:26 And I shall be clothed again with my skin, and in my flesh I shall see my God.
RE: "There are two Jehovah’s."

Galarians3:20...

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but God is one."

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