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Maybe it is the same man spoken about in Ezekiel chapters 40 and 44:

2 In the visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel and gradually set me down upon a very high mountain, on which there was something like the structure of a city to the south. 3 And he proceeded to bring me there, and, look! there was a man. His appearance was like the appearance of copper, and there was a flax cord in his hand, and a measuring reed, and he was standing in the gate. (Ezekiel 40:2-3)

44 And he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut. 2 Then Jehovah said to me: "As regards this gate, shut is how it will continue. It will not be opened, and no mere man will come in by it; for Jehovah himself, the God of Israel, has come in by it, and it must continue shut. 3 However, the chieftain-as chieftain he himself will sit in it, in order to eat bread before Jehovah. By way of the porch of the gate he will come in, and by way of it he will go out." (Ezekiel 44:1-3)

In Daniel's account he is seen as 'burnished copper' (Daniel 10:5-6) and in Ezekiel's account he is seen as 'bronze' colored (Ezekiel 40:3). Something to consider!

MB

44 And he proceeded to bring me back by way of the gate of the sanctuary, the outer one facing east, and it was shut. 2 Then Jehovah said to me: "As regards this gate, shut is how it will continue. It will not be opened, and no mere man will come in by it; for Jehovah himself, the God of Israel, has come in by it, and it must continue shut. 3 However, the chieftain-as chieftain he himself will sit in it, in order to eat bread before Jehovah. By way of the porch of the gate he will come in, and by way of it he will go out." (Ezekiel 44:1-3)


Mary Bee/aka Mad Mary
And would the chieftan be the infamous don burney, who now replaces Jesus?

Your statement presupposes the nation of Israel [Jehovah's Witnesses] has not sinned.

Which would mean Jesus' words and bible prophecy, are invalid that clearly state,

"...ELIJAH is coming," and

would "RESTORE ALL THINGS"

when?

"...BEFORE the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah," is simply not true.

11 In reply he said: "E·li´jah, indeed, is coming and will restore all things. (Matthew 17:11)

5 "Look! I am sending to YOU people E·li´jah the prophet before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. 6 And he must turn the heart of fathers back toward sons, and the heart of sons back toward fathers; in order that I may not come and actually strike the earth with a devoting [of it] to destruction." (Malachi 4:5-6)

The bible makes clear, the nation of Israel would need the services of "Elijah" and the "Chieftain" in the last days.

The "Chieftain" and "Elijah" is one in the same person, and is a "christian" himself, according to what the bible teaches. Since he is a footstep-follower of Jesus, he is never meant to replace Jesus (as if there is something wrong with Jesus or his covenant), as he is a member of the christian covenant himself. -- Ezekiel 44:3

Since the nation of Israel [JW's] is on a wayward (apostasy) course, as evidenced by thousands and thousands of JW's flocking to discussion boards like JWD, eWatchman, Paradise Cafe, etc... proves the need of such action on the part by Jehovah and Jesus Christ in sending the last prophet Elijah, to "BRING ISRAEL BACK" to Jehovah in repentance. -- Isaiah 49:6

To fully accomplish this, Jehovah and Jesus uses the Chieftain to mediate a new covenant (called the "indefinitely lasting covenant") to bring Israel back to God in repentance, as bible prophecy reveals. For instance,

4 "In those days and at that time," is the utterance of Jehovah, "the sons of Israel, they and the sons of Judah together, will come. They will walk, weeping as they walk, and for Jehovah their God they will seek. 5 To Zion they will keep asking the way, with their faces in that direction, [saying,] 'Come and let us join ourselves to Jehovah in an indefinitely lasting covenant that will not be forgotten.' (Jeremiah 50:4-5)

35 And I will bring YOU into the wilderness of the peoples and put myself on judgment with YOU there face to face. 36 "'Just as I put myself on judgment with YOUR forefathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so I shall put myself on judgment with YOU,' is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah. 37 'And I will make YOU pass under the rod and bring YOU into the bond of the covenant. 38 And I will clean out from YOU the revolters and the transgressors against me, for out of the land of their alien residence I shall bring them forth, but onto the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am Jehovah.' (Ezekiel 20:35-38)

59 "For this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, 'I also must do with you just as you have done, because you despised the oath in breaking [my] covenant. 60 And I, I myself, must remember my covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I must establish for you an indefinitely lasting covenant. 61 And you will certainly remember your ways and feel humiliated when you receive your sisters, the ones older than you as well as the ones younger than you, and I shall certainly give them to you as daughters, but not owing to your covenant.' (Ezekiel 16:59-61)

These scriptures above make clear the apostate nation of Israel [JW's] would be restored back to Jehovah's favor using a new covenant arrangement, a special "indefinitely lasting covenant", in the last days. "Elijah" and/or the "Chieftain" would be used to MEDIATE this new covenantal arrangement for God's Name People. -- See Isaiah 55:3, Isaiah 61:8; Jeremiah 32:40

...hopes this helps

MB

after reading burneys work and how he interpets the bible, uses women in a cult like fashion, there is no way he can be a chieftan, only of the dark side.

You and I may disagree on WHO the chieftain may be in our day, but we can agree there is a DIRE NEED for one...and that is my point. (Ezekiel 44:3)

MB

This is more than just a disagreement over the Chieftan. What I dont understand is why you dont open all your sites for those who want to
dicuss don burney can go there to do so. the real truth is in the blog below. How many really believe burney to be the Chieftan? This reaks of pure evil.


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Hi New Truth:

The "Chieftain" that is referred in Ezekiel 44:3 cannot be Jesus.

Here's why:

"And on that day, in his own behalf and in behalf of all the people of the land, the chieftain must provide a young bull as a sin offering." -- Ezekiel 45:22

It says above, the "chieftain" must provide a "sin offering" in his "OWN BEHALF," for himself.

This clearly could not be Jesus.

Jesus did not need a "sin offering" to be provided at any time, in his OWN BEHALF, since he has always been considered in God's sight to be perfect and free from sin. So the "chieftain" cannot picture Jesus in any way.

The "chieftain" according to bible prophecy, leads an earthly temple arrangement of God's making, to RESTORE PURE WORSHIP ON EARTH for the benefit of all mankind. Ezekiel 47:1-12 shows this.

I have provided some addition information on Ezekiel's future earthly temple in the research section. If you would like to get more details on this topic, here is the link:

http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=3368

peace,

MB

If it is not Jesus , then YOU show us where in the Bible it says it is don burney.
You have been this route before on this board, why do the moderators tolerate it? Take this garbage to your own sites.

Re: "Take this garbage to your own sites."

and...

"...why do the moderators tolerate it?"

Links to "gargage" sites can be disturbing...(and possibly draw away from seeking truth via Holy Spirit.)

imo.

gogh

No one is asking for a link to lw site here. The Holy Spirit would not go there. To anyone who denounces Jesus. Dont get your post.

Mary Bee, your avatar looks like a bee with little vampire teeth. You wouldn't also bee known as Mad Mary would you?

Don't worry Gogh I credit most on this board to have more intelligence than to be sucked in by the Burney nonsense.

Soliciting for a cult will not be tolerated though, and anyone who doesn't like a post can flag it up. Personally I find the scroll wheel to be a very handy tool.

vicky