03-14-2008, 07:53 AM
WHO ARE THOSE WHO "OVERCOME" THE WORLD?
If this is posted, change the “ask your friend,” to “We would ask.”
To continue being successful in your studies with the Watchtower follower, it will be necessary at some point to prove to them that the Bible was written to each obedient believer and not to just 144000 people as the Watchtower has wrongly taught its proselytes to believe. In other words, if you were to show them 1 John 5:1, to prove that each obedient believer is born again, they will tell you that verse, (promise) was only written (or promised) to only144000 people.
You must prove that the promises made in the New Testament, were made to each obedient believer. It is therefore critical that you brush up on this subject to establish in the mind of the cult member, that the Watchtower has also tricked them on this subject as well. It is also critical that this be done in all manor of mildness.
To compound their problem on this teaching, the Jehovah Witness (JW) will admit that his (or her) salvation is not assured during any period while they are alive on this earth.
When dealing with them on this subject, the Watchtower follower will begin to get nervous whenever you draw their attention to 1st and 2nd John. Here is where we 'once again,' see how the Jehovah Witness must use the Watchtower's "double standard" in their efforts to support Watchtower theology. The Spirit knew what He was doing when ever He led man to use a pronoun in certain key bible passages.
Whenever they try to 'differentiate' between the 144,000 and each believer, these “pronouns, (‘“whosoever,’ ‘any one,’ ’every’ ‘one,’ ‘a man who’..,” ect; ect; ) causes them havoc. This causes them to use a double standard when ever a pronoun is brought to their attention.. Remember, the Jehovah Witness will tell you certain passages were written only to the 144000, and not to everyone who put faith in Jesus Christ the Lord. So try drawing your friend's attention to the pronouns at certain key passages. You will be able to help your acquaintance to better understand that not only did the 144000 (mentioned in Rev. 7:4) overcome, but also, each obedient believer’ and we do this by our faith.
1 John 5:5 (Williams): Now who is it that continues to conquer the world, if it is not the person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
ASK: Wouldn't you say this passage is talking about each believer?
1 John 4:4 KJV Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Compare with verse 15. ‘Anyone.’ Reason with them on the same usage mentioned in Rev. 21:18
1 John 5:4 Williams: For every child of God continues to conquer the world. Our faith is the victory that has conquered the world.
You might ask your friend if he, (or she) is a child of God? This passage also helps your acquaintance see that Christian salvation is assured. (The Watchtower would disagree). These next two passages force’s the Jehovah Witness to see that they are children (sons) of God …if they want to be. Verse 13 forces them to accept these facts.
John 1:12, 13(AMP): But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name-- 13 Who owe their birth neither to [1] bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
OVERCOMING THE WORLD BY OUR FAITH
Romans 5:1
1 John 3:7,
1John 2:29
Galatians 3:26
1 John 5:1 Williams: Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves His child.
Ask: "Would you admit that you have truly repented, that you have changed from the 'worldly' person you once were? Would you admit that your old friends would now have to say you are a different person? Then you might say, "I believe you are." Therefore so does Jesus." All these many Bible passages back this up. They were written to humble people like your self, not to just 144000 people, (Acts 13:26, 1 john 5:13, Heb. 10:10, (‘all’), Heb. 13:12, 39-41, Rev. 3:20). Ask: "Would you say you belong to Christ?
Reason with your acquaintance there is no way all these passages are only speaking to 144000 guiltless people in the congregations, (Acts 13: 39.) He or she can't disagree (by saying their not worthy) and still say they have faith! See Acts 13: 46! Draw your acquaintance attention to the fact that verse 41 proves that for over sixty some odd years the WT was a scoffer to this teaching that those who are justified are sanctified. They could have partaken of the Lord's Supper. How embarrassing!
1 John 2:13 (KJV): I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. (Emphases mine on all verses).
Acts 20:32 (KJV): "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."
Hebrews 13:12 (KJV): Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate
Hebrews 10:10 KJV: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
John 17: 17 Beck: Make them holy by the truth; Your word is truth. 18 In this holy way I give Myself for them to make them holy, too, by the truth. 20 I'm not asking for them only but also for those who through their word believe in me.
Acts 13:26 KJV: Men and breathern, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you who feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life
DON'T YOU HAVE EARS?'
Say to your friend, "Only those who have ears should continue, reading these letters (promises). So are you sure, you want to continue? Only those with ears are being addressed here. All passages are speaking to everyone, (“to anyone who has ears”) as many as, he who, 'whosoever, anyone, (all those) who have ears, and fear God. So if after reading what the Holy Spirit says to you, and you continue to refuse to believe what He tells you, you can’t say later, “Oh Lord, had I only had ears!”
We would draw our JW friends to this next passage and after having them read it, Ask: “Wouldn’t you say this verse rules out “not knowing?” We could honestly say: "After reading this my friend, how in the world can you put faith in the WT teaching on this, "that your salvation is ‘not’ assured, and that only 144000 can overcome?” I mean,...you heard it,… with your own lips.”
Rev. 2: 11 KJV: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Anyone one that does not overcome, is promised they will have to face the Great White Thrown Judgment!
"Read Johns lips!"
1 John 5:13 Beck: I'm writing 'you' this so 'you' who believe in the name of God's Son 'will know' you have everlasting life.
(Emphasis Mine)
Their lack of faith in not believing all these passages are addressed to each believer, is caused by the Watchtower's unbiblical teaching.
Sadly, it causes 99% of Jehovah Witnesses never to partake of the Communion of the Lord's Supper as he commanded them to do. Being made to think they are not worthy to overcome because they are not born again.
Revelation 2:7 KJV He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God
Those who are born twice will only have to die once, those who are born only once, (in Adam, 'in sin') will die twice. Again, those who overcome die only once. Christians will not be part of the Great White Thrown Judgment. That is reserved for the unrighteous. This is why being justified is so important. The Christian community would ask our acquaintance to read the next verse. After the reading we ask, "Is he speaking to each of us, or just 144000?" After their commitment we again ask, "What does the bible teach one must do, to be written in the Book of Life? How then can the WT teach only 144000 can overcome? This leads us back to 1 John 5:1-5!
Revelation 3:5(KJV) He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
What is the Holy Spirit saying here about those who "don't" overcome, (those who are not born again, 1 John 3:7, 1John 2:29, 1 John 5:1-5)
It is very clear so far, that each believer MUST overcome. This then, proves that each obedient believer is born from above, born again, 1 John 1:9, and Isaiah 1:18 keeps the humble that way, (‘sanctified.’)
All these passages are proof each believer in the Christian
Compare is lead by the Spirit of God, not just 144000 people. What does the bile say it takes for a believer to be sealed, Jn. 1:12, ‘received’ Col. 2:6, ‘received,’ Eph. 1:13, ‘received,’. This simply means each believer has all these qualities (as all these pasages attest too).
The presumptiveness of the WT teaching that only 144000 faithful Jews are the followers of the Watchtower, and only these doing His will. Dear JW, take the time to read who He wants to be filled. - Eph.5:18, Luke 11:11-13.
This would be funny, if it was not so serious. Shame on the WT organization.
Romans 12:21 (KJV) Be not overcome of evil, but 'overcome evil' with good
How in the world are we able to accomplish this in our own power, with out help?
Our JW friends should read - 1 Jn. 4:4,15 again. Because the WT has short changed them again.
Disciple
If this is posted, change the “ask your friend,” to “We would ask.”
To continue being successful in your studies with the Watchtower follower, it will be necessary at some point to prove to them that the Bible was written to each obedient believer and not to just 144000 people as the Watchtower has wrongly taught its proselytes to believe. In other words, if you were to show them 1 John 5:1, to prove that each obedient believer is born again, they will tell you that verse, (promise) was only written (or promised) to only144000 people.
You must prove that the promises made in the New Testament, were made to each obedient believer. It is therefore critical that you brush up on this subject to establish in the mind of the cult member, that the Watchtower has also tricked them on this subject as well. It is also critical that this be done in all manor of mildness.
To compound their problem on this teaching, the Jehovah Witness (JW) will admit that his (or her) salvation is not assured during any period while they are alive on this earth.
When dealing with them on this subject, the Watchtower follower will begin to get nervous whenever you draw their attention to 1st and 2nd John. Here is where we 'once again,' see how the Jehovah Witness must use the Watchtower's "double standard" in their efforts to support Watchtower theology. The Spirit knew what He was doing when ever He led man to use a pronoun in certain key bible passages.
Whenever they try to 'differentiate' between the 144,000 and each believer, these “pronouns, (‘“whosoever,’ ‘any one,’ ’every’ ‘one,’ ‘a man who’..,” ect; ect; ) causes them havoc. This causes them to use a double standard when ever a pronoun is brought to their attention.. Remember, the Jehovah Witness will tell you certain passages were written only to the 144000, and not to everyone who put faith in Jesus Christ the Lord. So try drawing your friend's attention to the pronouns at certain key passages. You will be able to help your acquaintance to better understand that not only did the 144000 (mentioned in Rev. 7:4) overcome, but also, each obedient believer’ and we do this by our faith.
1 John 5:5 (Williams): Now who is it that continues to conquer the world, if it is not the person who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
ASK: Wouldn't you say this passage is talking about each believer?
1 John 4:4 KJV Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
Compare with verse 15. ‘Anyone.’ Reason with them on the same usage mentioned in Rev. 21:18
1 John 5:4 Williams: For every child of God continues to conquer the world. Our faith is the victory that has conquered the world.
You might ask your friend if he, (or she) is a child of God? This passage also helps your acquaintance see that Christian salvation is assured. (The Watchtower would disagree). These next two passages force’s the Jehovah Witness to see that they are children (sons) of God …if they want to be. Verse 13 forces them to accept these facts.
John 1:12, 13(AMP): But to as many as did receive and welcome Him, He gave the authority (power, privilege, right) to become the children of God, that is, to those who believe in (adhere to, trust in, and rely on) His name-- 13 Who owe their birth neither to [1] bloods nor to the will of the flesh [that of physical impulse] nor to the will of man [that of a natural father], but to God. [They are born of God!]
OVERCOMING THE WORLD BY OUR FAITH
Romans 5:1
1 John 3:7,
1John 2:29
Galatians 3:26
1 John 5:1 Williams: Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves His child.
Ask: "Would you admit that you have truly repented, that you have changed from the 'worldly' person you once were? Would you admit that your old friends would now have to say you are a different person? Then you might say, "I believe you are." Therefore so does Jesus." All these many Bible passages back this up. They were written to humble people like your self, not to just 144000 people, (Acts 13:26, 1 john 5:13, Heb. 10:10, (‘all’), Heb. 13:12, 39-41, Rev. 3:20). Ask: "Would you say you belong to Christ?
Reason with your acquaintance there is no way all these passages are only speaking to 144000 guiltless people in the congregations, (Acts 13: 39.) He or she can't disagree (by saying their not worthy) and still say they have faith! See Acts 13: 46! Draw your acquaintance attention to the fact that verse 41 proves that for over sixty some odd years the WT was a scoffer to this teaching that those who are justified are sanctified. They could have partaken of the Lord's Supper. How embarrassing!
1 John 2:13 (KJV): I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. (Emphases mine on all verses).
Acts 20:32 (KJV): "And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified."
Hebrews 13:12 (KJV): Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate
Hebrews 10:10 KJV: "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
John 17: 17 Beck: Make them holy by the truth; Your word is truth. 18 In this holy way I give Myself for them to make them holy, too, by the truth. 20 I'm not asking for them only but also for those who through their word believe in me.
Acts 13:26 KJV: Men and breathern, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you who feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life
DON'T YOU HAVE EARS?'
Say to your friend, "Only those who have ears should continue, reading these letters (promises). So are you sure, you want to continue? Only those with ears are being addressed here. All passages are speaking to everyone, (“to anyone who has ears”) as many as, he who, 'whosoever, anyone, (all those) who have ears, and fear God. So if after reading what the Holy Spirit says to you, and you continue to refuse to believe what He tells you, you can’t say later, “Oh Lord, had I only had ears!”
We would draw our JW friends to this next passage and after having them read it, Ask: “Wouldn’t you say this verse rules out “not knowing?” We could honestly say: "After reading this my friend, how in the world can you put faith in the WT teaching on this, "that your salvation is ‘not’ assured, and that only 144000 can overcome?” I mean,...you heard it,… with your own lips.”
Rev. 2: 11 KJV: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Anyone one that does not overcome, is promised they will have to face the Great White Thrown Judgment!
"Read Johns lips!"
1 John 5:13 Beck: I'm writing 'you' this so 'you' who believe in the name of God's Son 'will know' you have everlasting life.
(Emphasis Mine)
Their lack of faith in not believing all these passages are addressed to each believer, is caused by the Watchtower's unbiblical teaching.
Sadly, it causes 99% of Jehovah Witnesses never to partake of the Communion of the Lord's Supper as he commanded them to do. Being made to think they are not worthy to overcome because they are not born again.
Revelation 2:7 KJV He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God
Those who are born twice will only have to die once, those who are born only once, (in Adam, 'in sin') will die twice. Again, those who overcome die only once. Christians will not be part of the Great White Thrown Judgment. That is reserved for the unrighteous. This is why being justified is so important. The Christian community would ask our acquaintance to read the next verse. After the reading we ask, "Is he speaking to each of us, or just 144000?" After their commitment we again ask, "What does the bible teach one must do, to be written in the Book of Life? How then can the WT teach only 144000 can overcome? This leads us back to 1 John 5:1-5!
Revelation 3:5(KJV) He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
What is the Holy Spirit saying here about those who "don't" overcome, (those who are not born again, 1 John 3:7, 1John 2:29, 1 John 5:1-5)
It is very clear so far, that each believer MUST overcome. This then, proves that each obedient believer is born from above, born again, 1 John 1:9, and Isaiah 1:18 keeps the humble that way, (‘sanctified.’)
All these passages are proof each believer in the Christian
Compare is lead by the Spirit of God, not just 144000 people. What does the bile say it takes for a believer to be sealed, Jn. 1:12, ‘received’ Col. 2:6, ‘received,’ Eph. 1:13, ‘received,’. This simply means each believer has all these qualities (as all these pasages attest too).
The presumptiveness of the WT teaching that only 144000 faithful Jews are the followers of the Watchtower, and only these doing His will. Dear JW, take the time to read who He wants to be filled. - Eph.5:18, Luke 11:11-13.
This would be funny, if it was not so serious. Shame on the WT organization.
Romans 12:21 (KJV) Be not overcome of evil, but 'overcome evil' with good
How in the world are we able to accomplish this in our own power, with out help?
Our JW friends should read - 1 Jn. 4:4,15 again. Because the WT has short changed them again.
Disciple
I TRULY hope that you will change your mind ...
Therefore, it is not up to any of us to judge who is a true Christian. That is up to Jesus, when he comes to do his judging. All we can do is try to live our lives in a Christian manner, and to reflect Jesus' shining example.And be loving and kind to all those we meet, giving when neccessary to all those in need,and from whatever religious entity they belong to.Let's all just do as Jesus would do.He didn't pick and choose who he preached to, or who he helped. He loved all of them, without partiality, as his Father does.