02-11-2008, 06:49 AM
02-11-2008, 11:25 AM
Well...ya just never know. Germany went from loosey-goosey in 1920s to Nazism in the 30s. People are notoriously weak-minded. Sharia in England isn't outside the realm of possibility...and Sharia is built especially for mindless, morally-destitute people without spiritual direction. Look at how Europe has bent over for Islam so far. Williams speech of accommodation (like that nitwit Catholic bishop who thinks we should all refer to God as Allah) is but a first step. Unless the English suddenly develop cajones, I can see Sharia in England in 10 years.
gus
gus
02-11-2008, 04:20 PM
“Unless the English suddenly develop cajonesâ€
No Gus, that’s not going to happen!
Britain was a small country that managed to create a vast empire throughout the world. Regardless of their motives :blush:, there were men and women of vision who got the job done. :thumbsup:
Now, it’s just a small country “led†by very small men and women interested only in themselves. It’s rather sad to witness, but probably inevitable. :(
Oh How the Mighty have Fallen! :thumbsdown:
Measurer.
No Gus, that’s not going to happen!
Britain was a small country that managed to create a vast empire throughout the world. Regardless of their motives :blush:, there were men and women of vision who got the job done. :thumbsup:
Now, it’s just a small country “led†by very small men and women interested only in themselves. It’s rather sad to witness, but probably inevitable. :(
Oh How the Mighty have Fallen! :thumbsdown:
Measurer.
02-11-2008, 08:15 PM
The way things are going with justice being thrown out the window by American prosecutors, the military and the police, it may not be long here either now that Obama has stated that "the US is no longer a Christian nation." Perhaps he intends to implement certain aspects of Sharia law here. As an attorney I know recently wrote on a blog, "The “Miranda†rights of an accused (that he has the right to an attorney) are frequently overlooked. Police questioning of suspects goes on without an attorney representing the accused and, often, even when the accused requests an attorney, the questioning continues without one. It has become commonplace for an accused to be put through six and eight-hour questioning sessions until the mental capabilities of the accused break-down. It has become commonplace for the police doing the questioning to lie and tell the accused that “witnesses†have confessed and/or pointed-their-finger at the accused; to threaten the accused with physical harm if he didn’t “confessâ€; to make-up stories about evidence the police do not really have; to tell the accused that if he confesses, the charges will be dropped or minimized; etc. This has created a new term in the justice system: A “forced confessionâ€. A confession made by someone who did not commit the crime, but who could not stand the pressure being put on him by police. There have been any number of this type of confession, particularly with teen-agers and people who are unprepared for the onslaught of police questioning. There is a new field for lawyers: False confession experts. Just look at what our Department of Homeland Security has done: They will arrest someone and not even let him know why he is being kept in prison…for years. They will effectively “erase†the name of imprisoned person so that his family has no idea what has happened to him and cannot locate him. They will deny the prisoner the right to an attorney or to communicate with anyone outside of the prison. They will use genuine “torture†techniques such as water boarding to obtain confessions. They will deliberately conceal evidence which may indicate the innocence of the accused."
And did you hear the other day that the Army lost a years worth of records concerning Osama Bin Laden's personal driver who is being housed in Cuba? Just one of those little slip ups. And then with the baby boomers starting to retire, there's going to be a nursing home on every street corner with the drug companies and their doctor pimps feverishly working to keep all the old geezers on some kind of drugged up life support as they keep enriching themselves and saying they are practicing best health care in the world as social security and medicare become exhausted. It looks like things are getting ready to come apart. And that's when it's going to really get scary. Pray for the kingdom.
And did you hear the other day that the Army lost a years worth of records concerning Osama Bin Laden's personal driver who is being housed in Cuba? Just one of those little slip ups. And then with the baby boomers starting to retire, there's going to be a nursing home on every street corner with the drug companies and their doctor pimps feverishly working to keep all the old geezers on some kind of drugged up life support as they keep enriching themselves and saying they are practicing best health care in the world as social security and medicare become exhausted. It looks like things are getting ready to come apart. And that's when it's going to really get scary. Pray for the kingdom.
02-12-2008, 01:42 AM
That's right, Freyd. It's all about the big, bad system. There are no criminals out there. There are just perfectly good people the police (or military or prosecutors or whatever) want to put in jail for no good reason. The victim mentality has won the war here.
Does anyone have anything good to say about any authority? If they do, I never hear it. Law enforcement folks put their lives on the line every day...and do it without any thanks. The streets are full of creeps, drug addicts and perverts. Maybe you'd like to put up some of those poor innocent victims of "the man" in your home?
God, I get tired of whiney people. Pathetic.
gus
Does anyone have anything good to say about any authority? If they do, I never hear it. Law enforcement folks put their lives on the line every day...and do it without any thanks. The streets are full of creeps, drug addicts and perverts. Maybe you'd like to put up some of those poor innocent victims of "the man" in your home?
God, I get tired of whiney people. Pathetic.
gus
02-12-2008, 11:43 AM
You're right Gus, the big bad system has to go down, to be replaced by a righteous kingdom government that's not going to run by psycho secret police in uniforms issued by criminals who work both sides of the street because they're re experts in their own laws and know how to milk the system, but aren't very up on God's and who like things pretty much the way things are because there's alot of money to be made and power to be exercised. They write laws that gets people arrested and then write laws that get them released that prevents true justice from being accomplished. And abuse, well it just goes with the territory. They're part of the system run by the devil himself and a few anti-Christian secret societies, some of whom wear funny hats emblazoned with an Arabic sword and who say they do a few nice things for children, so we're just supposed to ignore what they and their symbols are really all about.
02-12-2008, 04:09 PM
Hi Gus...Dude.
Re: "God, I get tired of whiney people. Pathetic."
Do not get tired Gus. Just do not determine who or who is not "whiney people".
You will feel free (and much better).
Romans 14:4...
"Who are you to judge the house servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand."
Warning: the following presents violence against a child..(gets pushed and skate board taken away)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8Tc...208Cop.htm
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/b...7315.story
...
Re: "God, I get tired of whiney people. Pathetic."
Do not get tired Gus. Just do not determine who or who is not "whiney people".
You will feel free (and much better).
Romans 14:4...
"Who are you to judge the house servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand."
Warning: the following presents violence against a child..(gets pushed and skate board taken away)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgWrV8Tc...208Cop.htm
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/b...7315.story
...
02-12-2008, 05:12 PM
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Europe in the house of war
By Spengler http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html
Violence is oozing through the cracks of European society like pus out of a broken scab. Just when liberal opinion congratulated itself that Europe had forsaken its violent past, the specter of civil violence has the continent terrified. That is the source of the uproar over a February 7 speech by Archbishop Rowan Williams, predicting the inevitable acceptance of Muslim sharia law in Great Britain.
Not since World War II has British opinion been provoked to the present level of outrage. Writing in the Times of London, the editor of the London Spectator, Matthew d'Ancona, quoted former British
Conservative parliamentarian Enoch Powell's warning that concessions to alien cultures would cause "rivers of blood" to flow in the streets of England. Times columnist Minette Marin accuses the archbishop of treason.
Coercion in the Muslim communities of Europe is so commonplace that duly-constituted governments there no longer wield a monopoly of violence. Behind the law there stands the right of the state to inflict violence, and the legitimacy of states rests on what German political economist and sociologist Max Weber once called "the monopoly of violence". Once this right is conceded to private groups, the legitimacy of government crumbles. No one appreciates this more than the British, whose tradition of protecting individual rights under law is the oldest and strongest in the West, excepting the United States, which inherited English Common Law.
By proposing to concede a permanent role to extralegal violence in the political life of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury pushed his phlegmatic countrymen over the edge. No one is better than the British at pretending that problems really aren't there, but once their spiritual leader admits to an alien source of coercion and proposes to legitimize it, they understand that a limit has been reached.
Williams' exercise in what might be termed the Higher Hypocrisy shows how deeply Europe has descended into the Dar al-Harb, or the "House of War" in the Muslim terms for all that lies outside the "house of submission", or Dar al-Islam. Europe's governments refuse to rule, that is, refuse to enforce their own laws because they fear violence on the part of Muslim immigrant communities who refuse to accept these laws. "No-go" zones proliferate that non-Muslims dare not enter. In the United Kingdom, according to evidence presented by respected journalists and public-interest organizations, Muslim community organizations, Muslim police officers and medical personnel collaborate to stop women from escaping domestic violence.
The erring spiritual leader of the Church of England persuades me that Europe's Man of Destiny is the Dutch politician Geert Wilders, who for two years has lived in hiding under constant police protection for the crime of criticizing Islam........http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html
Europe in the house of war
By Spengler http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html
Violence is oozing through the cracks of European society like pus out of a broken scab. Just when liberal opinion congratulated itself that Europe had forsaken its violent past, the specter of civil violence has the continent terrified. That is the source of the uproar over a February 7 speech by Archbishop Rowan Williams, predicting the inevitable acceptance of Muslim sharia law in Great Britain.
Not since World War II has British opinion been provoked to the present level of outrage. Writing in the Times of London, the editor of the London Spectator, Matthew d'Ancona, quoted former British
Conservative parliamentarian Enoch Powell's warning that concessions to alien cultures would cause "rivers of blood" to flow in the streets of England. Times columnist Minette Marin accuses the archbishop of treason.
Coercion in the Muslim communities of Europe is so commonplace that duly-constituted governments there no longer wield a monopoly of violence. Behind the law there stands the right of the state to inflict violence, and the legitimacy of states rests on what German political economist and sociologist Max Weber once called "the monopoly of violence". Once this right is conceded to private groups, the legitimacy of government crumbles. No one appreciates this more than the British, whose tradition of protecting individual rights under law is the oldest and strongest in the West, excepting the United States, which inherited English Common Law.
By proposing to concede a permanent role to extralegal violence in the political life of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury pushed his phlegmatic countrymen over the edge. No one is better than the British at pretending that problems really aren't there, but once their spiritual leader admits to an alien source of coercion and proposes to legitimize it, they understand that a limit has been reached.
Williams' exercise in what might be termed the Higher Hypocrisy shows how deeply Europe has descended into the Dar al-Harb, or the "House of War" in the Muslim terms for all that lies outside the "house of submission", or Dar al-Islam. Europe's governments refuse to rule, that is, refuse to enforce their own laws because they fear violence on the part of Muslim immigrant communities who refuse to accept these laws. "No-go" zones proliferate that non-Muslims dare not enter. In the United Kingdom, according to evidence presented by respected journalists and public-interest organizations, Muslim community organizations, Muslim police officers and medical personnel collaborate to stop women from escaping domestic violence.
The erring spiritual leader of the Church of England persuades me that Europe's Man of Destiny is the Dutch politician Geert Wilders, who for two years has lived in hiding under constant police protection for the crime of criticizing Islam........http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html
02-12-2008, 11:01 PM
freyd Wrote:
You're right Gus, the big bad system has to go down, to be replaced by a righteous kingdom government that's not going to run by psycho secret police in uniforms issued by criminals who work both sides of the street because they're re experts in their own laws and know how to milk the system, but aren't very up on God's and who like things pretty much the way things are because there's alot of money to be made and power to be exercised. They write laws that gets people arrested and then write laws that get them released that prevents true justice from being accomplished. And abuse, well it just goes with the territory. They're part of the system run by the devil himself and a few anti-Christian secret societies, some of whom wear funny hats emblazoned with an Arabic sword and who say they do a few nice things for children, so we're just supposed to ignore what they and their symbols are really all about.
I'm sorry you feel that way, freyd. It so happens that I work with thousands of caring, diligent, responsible people both directly and cooperatively. You don't even know us and you accuse us of being crooks. That's nice. We work our rear-ends off (often on our own time) and consider the taxpaying public as "boss." I have no answers for you, freyd...as you are entitled to believe and say whatever you want based upon the freedoms provided to you by others who care more about you than you evidently care about them. It doesn't matter really. I know I never expected any thanks. I probably wouldn't fully appreciate it from an armchair warrior anyway.
By the way, freyd...that righteous government you speak of? It's already in place.
gus
02-12-2008, 11:24 PM
There's nothing worse in the eyes of most than a cop on the take. As Joe Friday said, "It's a glamourless thankless job, but somebody's got to do it." Those who chose to be in law enforcement didn't do it because they'd receive thanks. In many cases they have personality disorders. Then give them a badge and you wind up with Barney Fife. Others are like jw's, with the pressure so great that once in a while one cracks like ones they're talking about over on jwd. But you yourself noted about what happened to Germany in a 10 year period. America is dying. Europe is gone. Virtue is gone. Oh, yeah, there are high mind individuals still around. And various ones committed to law. But they're flawed and so are their laws. Pray for the Kingdom. Man can't solve his own problems, no matter how many lawyers, cops and laws he makes up. So far in Iraq, there have been upwards of 1 million casualties since 2003. And there's no exit strategy because they're not leaving. They're sitting on $30 Trillion worth of oil. Just proves to me that the good guys kill just as many as the bad, if there's enough money involved. :siskiss:
"That brings us back to the archbishop of Canterbury, who acknowledged the fact of coercion of women in his February 7 address, but insisted that because it belonged to "custom" rather than "religious law", he preferred to change the subject:"
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html ----
"Conservative parliamentarian Enoch Powell's warning that concessions to alien cultures would cause "rivers of blood" to flow in the streets of England."
"That brings us back to the archbishop of Canterbury, who acknowledged the fact of coercion of women in his February 7 address, but insisted that because it belonged to "custom" rather than "religious law", he preferred to change the subject:"
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB12Aa02.html ----
"Conservative parliamentarian Enoch Powell's warning that concessions to alien cultures would cause "rivers of blood" to flow in the streets of England."
02-13-2008, 02:26 AM
I don't know about you, Freyd...but I have to live in the world. That means that I obey the laws as best I can...and hope to hell everyone else does too. It's unrealistic to think that they will do so, so we hire law enforcement people to act as deterrents, arrest violators, try to keep the peace, and - in the worst of scenarios - clean up the messes. I think public service a wonderful way to make a living.
I will have to differ with you on one thing: virtue is not gone. Sure, on a worldwide scale, it's lacking; but I see it everyday. I don't have figures...I don't even know if they exist; but I would place the "virtue" of the law enforcement community against that of any other profession, bar none. I've been around for 55 years now and know all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds, and I'd rather associate with a bunch of cops (local, state, or federal) than people of any other profession (if profession was the criteria). Are there "bad cops"? Of course! Those are the ones who make the news. You don't hear about "bad insurance men" or "bad grocery store checkers" - but you always hear about the "bad cop."
Yes, there have been 1 million casualties in Iraq. Not sure what that's supposed to mean exactly. By far, most of the casualties inflicted have been Iraqi on Iraqi casualties. The casualty count (for those interested) is on par with the American Civil War and far behind those of other historical civil wars. I don't say that to minimize the dead; but to remove that variable from the equation. All death in war is tragic; but no one knows what "might have been" if Americans had not changed the focus of the war on terror to the middle east instead of NY, London, Canberra, DC, Miami, or Topeka - where, at one time, it was directed. While I'm not a big fan of how the war is being conducted ( or "nation building," for that matter), I can understand why this nation pursues it within the scope of what nation's do when threatened. If you take all the emotional rhetoric away, it's just a fact of life that has been around for 6000+ years. Warlike people make wars and civilized people have to stop them....but it always seems to end up on a battlefield somewhere.
The war in Iraq has zero to do with oil. If it did, there'd be two-million boots on the ground, petroleum and mechanical engineers present in droves, derricks-a-pumpin', and tankers streaming across the Atlantic, convoy fashion. But it ain't happenin'. Why? Because it is the war that Bush says it is. A $50K investment by some middle-eastern criminals caused a trillion dollars in losses. Not a bad investment on their part, all things considered. Bush can't allow that to happen again on his watch.
So people can attach all kinds of superstitious drama to the war on terror if they want to. They don't know 1/10th of what I know...and I don't know the half of it. It is what it is until I know differently. A quick study of human nature helps me to identify who might be more believable...but it's definitely not a bunch of crackpots with their constant ax grinding. Despite popular opinion (which is almost always wrong), they are not the peacemakers they pretend to be. They don't want peace...they want to win their own war, which is even less likely to happen.
gus
I will have to differ with you on one thing: virtue is not gone. Sure, on a worldwide scale, it's lacking; but I see it everyday. I don't have figures...I don't even know if they exist; but I would place the "virtue" of the law enforcement community against that of any other profession, bar none. I've been around for 55 years now and know all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds, and I'd rather associate with a bunch of cops (local, state, or federal) than people of any other profession (if profession was the criteria). Are there "bad cops"? Of course! Those are the ones who make the news. You don't hear about "bad insurance men" or "bad grocery store checkers" - but you always hear about the "bad cop."
Yes, there have been 1 million casualties in Iraq. Not sure what that's supposed to mean exactly. By far, most of the casualties inflicted have been Iraqi on Iraqi casualties. The casualty count (for those interested) is on par with the American Civil War and far behind those of other historical civil wars. I don't say that to minimize the dead; but to remove that variable from the equation. All death in war is tragic; but no one knows what "might have been" if Americans had not changed the focus of the war on terror to the middle east instead of NY, London, Canberra, DC, Miami, or Topeka - where, at one time, it was directed. While I'm not a big fan of how the war is being conducted ( or "nation building," for that matter), I can understand why this nation pursues it within the scope of what nation's do when threatened. If you take all the emotional rhetoric away, it's just a fact of life that has been around for 6000+ years. Warlike people make wars and civilized people have to stop them....but it always seems to end up on a battlefield somewhere.
The war in Iraq has zero to do with oil. If it did, there'd be two-million boots on the ground, petroleum and mechanical engineers present in droves, derricks-a-pumpin', and tankers streaming across the Atlantic, convoy fashion. But it ain't happenin'. Why? Because it is the war that Bush says it is. A $50K investment by some middle-eastern criminals caused a trillion dollars in losses. Not a bad investment on their part, all things considered. Bush can't allow that to happen again on his watch.
So people can attach all kinds of superstitious drama to the war on terror if they want to. They don't know 1/10th of what I know...and I don't know the half of it. It is what it is until I know differently. A quick study of human nature helps me to identify who might be more believable...but it's definitely not a bunch of crackpots with their constant ax grinding. Despite popular opinion (which is almost always wrong), they are not the peacemakers they pretend to be. They don't want peace...they want to win their own war, which is even less likely to happen.
gus
02-13-2008, 12:25 PM
Well the way I see it, the Muslims are going to retake Europe, capture the pope, put him on trial and cut his head off. In the US there's going to be a taco stand and a nursing home on every street corner, with the noble and ubiquitous neo-gestapo listening to every cell-phone conversation. The Bill of Rights will be a long gone memory. And everybody is going to be on drugs, legal and otherwise. Of course there's going to be the wealthy, and all with direct links to secret societies that wear those funny red hats that you have to be blind-folded, stripped naked and led around with a rope around your neck to join, but who do nice things for children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo
02-13-2008, 02:56 PM
Hi Gus
Re: "It is what it is until I know differently."
A qu8ote: "...a 2000 document titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,†the result of a “neo-conservative†think tank called the Project For The New American Century. Members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and many other prominent members and former members of the Bush Administration. The study postulated ways to aggressively increase and assert America’s power globally. A pretext “like a new Pearl Harbor†was written in this now publicly available document as being needed to rally support by the American people."
This may help you understand/know differently...
Project for the New American Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for...an_Century
edited to include this as well...
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...index.html
Psalm 146:3...
"Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."
gogh
Re: "It is what it is until I know differently."
A qu8ote: "...a 2000 document titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses,†the result of a “neo-conservative†think tank called the Project For The New American Century. Members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and many other prominent members and former members of the Bush Administration. The study postulated ways to aggressively increase and assert America’s power globally. A pretext “like a new Pearl Harbor†was written in this now publicly available document as being needed to rally support by the American people."
This may help you understand/know differently...
Project for the New American Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for...an_Century
edited to include this as well...
Study: Bush, aides made 935 false statements in run-up to war
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/...index.html
Psalm 146:3...
"Do not put YOUR trust in nobles,
Nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs."
gogh
02-13-2008, 11:29 PM
I agree with the scripture, but that's about it, gogh.
Once you remove the emotional rhetoric from the equation (and hatred for anything bigger and more powerful than yourself), it all makes pretty good sense. As an outside observer, I can see that most US citizens appreciate living in the United States. Many, if not most people of the world would rather live in the US than their own country. Understanding this helps us to have a slightly different perspective for expanding US influence than you're likely to hear on "the blogs." Bloggers are generally great haters of the US. Bob King hates the US...and a good number of people here on this site hate the US. People always hate the biggest and the best. Who knows why...maybe they were bullied when they were little. But hatred is an awfully poor platform from which to operate. It skews the truth and imputes bad motives where there probably are none. But turning the whole world into one big, fat America doesn't sound so bad. I don't think that godless men will come up with a better alternative.
Bush and his partners made 935 false statements??? Gasp!
According to the article, they made about 3 false statements 935 times. Again...different perspective. As an example: let's say that my mother told me that I was born on June 20th - but I was really born on the 21st. I go through life and tell all kinds of people 3,456 times that I was born on the 20th...because that's what I know. Then one day I see my birth certificate and realize that I was off by a day. Did I lie 3,456 times? No. Did I make a false statement 3,456 times? Yes.
That article was meant to trick you into believing that "W" and his cohorts are pathological liars. Don't fall for it.
But Ps 146:3 is a great scripture!
gus
Once you remove the emotional rhetoric from the equation (and hatred for anything bigger and more powerful than yourself), it all makes pretty good sense. As an outside observer, I can see that most US citizens appreciate living in the United States. Many, if not most people of the world would rather live in the US than their own country. Understanding this helps us to have a slightly different perspective for expanding US influence than you're likely to hear on "the blogs." Bloggers are generally great haters of the US. Bob King hates the US...and a good number of people here on this site hate the US. People always hate the biggest and the best. Who knows why...maybe they were bullied when they were little. But hatred is an awfully poor platform from which to operate. It skews the truth and imputes bad motives where there probably are none. But turning the whole world into one big, fat America doesn't sound so bad. I don't think that godless men will come up with a better alternative.
Bush and his partners made 935 false statements??? Gasp!
According to the article, they made about 3 false statements 935 times. Again...different perspective. As an example: let's say that my mother told me that I was born on June 20th - but I was really born on the 21st. I go through life and tell all kinds of people 3,456 times that I was born on the 20th...because that's what I know. Then one day I see my birth certificate and realize that I was off by a day. Did I lie 3,456 times? No. Did I make a false statement 3,456 times? Yes.
That article was meant to trick you into believing that "W" and his cohorts are pathological liars. Don't fall for it.
But Ps 146:3 is a great scripture!
gus