This is an interesting point brought up by Knight of Faith, but I have poked my big nose in because I think it deserves some mulling over.
The astronomical events described in Revelation are normal phenomena.
Sun being darkened is an eclipse of the sun.
Moon being turned to blood is an eclipse of the moon.
Stars falling to earth are shooting stars.
The symbol of christendom is the cross, which when in a circle is the ancient symbol of the sun.
This was instituted by Constantine. "In hoc signo vinces". In this sign you will conquer.
That being the cross in the sky, that he saw, which is the symbol of the sun, he conquered, leaving us with Sunday as a holy day.
The symbol of islam is the moon.
See Genesis. It goes back to the Ishmaelites who took Joseph captive to Egypt.
So eclipse of the sun (blackened), eclipse of the moon (turning red) and stars falling (meteorites) could all these astronomical phenomena relate to religion falling or becoming impotent.
What happens when the demons are released?
Those serpent/scorpions in Revelation 9.
See Luke 10:17-21
Luke 11:11.
Where will religious persons turn when the demons are let loose? Where will be their iconic sun, moon and stars?
Just some thoughts to ponder.
vicky
Osman and the moon.
Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty.
Constantine and the sun.
http://www.masonicdictionary.com/inhoc.html
Lactantius, who places the occurrence at a later date and on the eve of a battle with Maxentius, in which the latter was defeated, relates it not as an actual occurrence, but as a dream or vision; and this is now the generally received opinion of those who do not deem the whole legend a fabrication.
Beware of those dreams!
Now where have I seen that cross and crown sign before, as shown in the masonic dictionary?
My advice as a qualified jeweller, do not buy a masonic ring. Next thing you know you will be getting funny handshakes!
vickster
The symbol of islam is the moon.
See Genesis. It goes back to the Ishmaelites who took Joseph captive to Egypt.
will be their iconic sun, moon and stars?
As usual, you're right on the mark Vicky. Allah is indeed the moon god the same as Yah. And that star inside the moon crescent of Islam is the Dog Star Sirius. I put together a lot of information on this here:
http://www.love-the-truth.net/new_age_sirius-ly.html
Jesh
This is an interesting point brought up by Knight of Faith, but I have poked my big nose in because I think it deserves some mulling over.
The astronomical events described in Revelation are normal phenomena.
Sun being darkened is an eclipse of the sun.
Steam says: The sign is symbolic; not literal. The sun being darkened; means the gospel failing to shine out.
Moon being turned to blood is an eclipse of the moon.
Moon is symbolic of the Law Covenant which reflects the light of the sun.
Stars falling to earth are shooting stars.
Stars are the officials of the Roman church who used to sit in the throne rooms of Europe, being cast out by Napoleon.
The symbol of christendom is the cross, which when in a circle is the ancient symbol of the sun.
Steam says: YES! The mark or sign of the beast, Papacy.
This was instituted by Constantine. "In hoc signo vinces". In this sign you will conquer.
That being the cross in the sky, that he saw, which is the symbol of the sun, he conquered, leaving us with Sunday as a holy day.
Constantine did save the Church from being destroyed but then he took the reins or bridle of the church. It became apostate.
The symbol of islam is the moon.
Steam says: The cresent moon.
See Genesis. It goes back to the Ishmaelites who took Joseph captive to Egypt.
So eclipse of the sun (blackened), eclipse of the moon (turning red) and stars falling (meteorites) could all these astronomical phenomena relate to religion falling or becoming impotent.
Steam says; they do indeed!
What happens when the demons are released?
Those serpent/scorpions in Revelation 9.
Steam says: It is Locusts, not demons. This is the tale of the Methodists which formed in England i the 18th century.
See Luke 10:17-21
Luke 11:11.
Where will religious persons turn when the demons are let loose? Where will be their iconic sun, moon and stars?
Just some thoughts to ponder.
vicky
Hmmm, do not put your trust in nobles or men.
Good points, Vicky. It's what I've been thinking for a long time. Look what happened to us when our WT cushion got pulled out from under us. We had to go and look for Him, didn't we?
Also, the Sun, Moon, and Stars, are all things we can physically see.
Interesting......
Masonic Signs
Dear Artcritic, I hope this makes you laugh.
Whilst trying as a computer illiterate to pull up a masonic sign, and post it, I managed to make it the icon that appears everytime as I turn on my computer, and don't know how to get rid of it.
I hope my son or someone intelligent will turn up soon to remove it.
So I now have 'in hoc signo vinces' surrounding a cross tucked in a crown (Russell style) every time I turn on the computer.
The good news is that if the masons take over the world, after looking at my computer they might think I am one of them and let me live!
Hello everyone
Just had a minute to pop in to say hello and then I saw this topic and I couldn't resist
I also did some research awhile back concerning the Sun, Moon and Stars when I was digging for insights. It definately does apply to a spiritual kingdom that is diminished and brought low in glory ... at least that how I feel about it.
If anyone is interested they can read up on it at the following link .. just go to the page and scroll all the way down to the bottom
http://spiritoftruth.forumsland.com/spir...bout5.html
with much affection to all, LC
Dear Artcritic, I hope this makes you laugh.
Whilst trying as a computer illiterate to pull up a masonic sign, and post it, I managed to make it the icon that appears everytime as I turn on my computer, and don't know how to get rid of it.
I hope my son or someone intelligent will turn up soon to remove it.
So I now have 'in hoc signo vinces' surrounding a cross tucked in a crown (Russell style) every time I turn on the computer.
The good news is that if the masons take over the world, after looking at my computer they might think I am one of them and let me live!
Hi Man hu
You sound like me. The things I have done trying to set up a new web site. I also need my son to sort me out. On top of that I have Dyslexia example Problems with b 7 s d Nice to see you back keep up the good work.
Let's cross reference Revelation 21:22/23.
The city (new Jerusalem) has no need of the sun nor of the moon. Good job too!
Actually there is also no need of a temple either.
So when we communicate with our heavenly father, there will be no intermediaries or distractions.
Everything comes direct.
Let's cross reference Revelation 21:22/23.
The city (new Jerusalem) has no need of the sun nor of the moon. Good job too!
Actually there is also no need of a temple either.
So when we communicate with our heavenly father, there will be no intermediaries or distractions.
Everything comes direct.
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Steam says: Look at Rev. 21:7. Jesus will be the god of that world; he receives the planet when he asks for his inheritance. Psalm 2:8
He will judge the sinners then; NOT Jehovah. At the end of Christ's Kingdom, the Little Season begins when Jehovah takes the Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:24) Satan is released to test the people, some will follow Satan into second death. Some believe that you pray to Jesus during his Kingdom, NOT to Jehovah.
Rev. 21:2-"And I John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride, adorned for her husband." Note God is in heaven. The city or kingdom will be Christ, Head and Body.
Steam Psalm 50:5
The symbol of Christendom is the cross, which when in a circle is the ancient symbol of the sun.
This was instituted by Constantine. "In hoc signo vinces". In this sign you will conquer.
That being the cross in the sky, that he saw, which is the symbol of the sun, he conquered, leaving us with Sunday as a holy day.
Take a look at this Vick.. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPAzBO-c9...re=related
Agape Johnny
It seems sun, moon and stars falling were often used by the ancient prophets as symbols of imminent doom upon a city or people.
To ancient Babylon, Isaiah said: "For the very stars of the heavens and their constellations of Ke´sil will not flash forth their light; the sun will actually grow dark at its going forth, and the moon itself will not cause its light to shine. And I shall certainly bring home [its own] badness upon the productive land." (Isaiah 13:10,11)
In prophecying the king of Babylon's coming against Egypt, Ezekiel said: "And when you get extinguished I will cover the heavens and darken their stars. As for the sun, with clouds I shall cover it, and the moon itself will not let its light shine. All the luminaries of light in the heavens - I shall darken them on your account, and I will put darkness upon your land,' is the utterance of Jehovah." (Ezekiel 32:7,8)
And Joel describes an army that would come upon the land of Israel if they did not turn back from their bad ways: "Into the city they rush. On the wall they run. On the houses they go up. Through the windows they go in like the thief. Before it [the] land has become agitated, [the] heavens have rocked. Sun and moon themselves have become dark, and the very stars have withdrawn their brightness." (Joel 2:9,10)
So I would imagine it more likely that John was using symbolism that was already familiar to his audience. Sun, moon and stars darkening foreshadowed the arrival of a foreign army upon a city.
In the case of Revelation 6, the city that is about to be invaded by foreigners is Jerusalem.
As foretold by Jesus in Mathew 24, the order of events was to be...
(a) Catching sight of the disgusting thing (the Roman armies)
(b) Flee!
© Great tribulation
(d) Sun, moon darkened, stars fall from heaven, powers shaken
(e) Sign of the son of man, son of man coming on clouds.
The events in Revelation are similar, although themed for more dramatic purposes. They include...
(a) Sun, moon and stars darkening. (Rev 6:12-17) The arrival of the Roman armies in 66AD signalled the imminent destruction of Jerusalem, and the Jewish Christians signal to flee.
(b) Four winds being held back for the benefit of 144,000 and "great crowd" to come out of a "great tribulation". (Rev 7) This was the actual opportunity for them to flee or not to enter into Jerusalem, as Jesus commanded.
© Great tribulations in the form of seven trumpet blasts symbolizing the tribulations during the fall of Jerusalem and the Roman empire. (Rev 8, 9).
(d) A strong angel descending from heaven like a cloud. (Rev 10) This corresponds very well with Jesus' coming in the clouds against Jerusalem.
(e) The holy city trampled for 42 months. (Rev 11) This commenced in 70AD, and ended with the capture of the Jewish stronghold of Masada.
All I'm saying is that the predominant use of sun, moon and stars falling or darkening in the Bible is in reference to cities about to be invaded by a foreign army.
I think the city in question here is Jerusalem.
