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Hi everyone,

I truly regret that most of my threads and posts were taken with hostility in this forum. The reason why I was in PC because I have noticed hypocrisy in many ways a greate deal. I was convicted to witness to this forum. I did my best to do it but since you are so hard-hearted about it, I wash my hands and move on. (I was threatened to be banned many times, BTW). In fact, I don't even know if this post will on the board and be banned immediately. My last post got deleted right away and they gave me a suspension and a warning that I would be banned if I continue. They can ban anyone with any kind of rules they don't like. You cannot argue with your boss(PC admin team). If you do, you are goner, that's how it works in christian communities, that's how PC operate too.

Thank you everyone for letting me use this forum for witnessing while it lasted.

May true God be with you and bless you.

In Jesus' name.

PS, people who are interested in my mission, I invite you to my forum: brothersofchrist.forumsland.com

thank you again.

His servant, hitomi

Hi Joyful
I for one enjoyed your posts and think you are a true Christian. I wish you all the best. It would be nice to visit your forum. How do you feel about me posting about Watchtower Masons at times?

Dear hitomi ...

If I may ... I would like to 'speak' with you as well my sister in Christ ... :giverose:

You said ...

The reason why I was in PC because I have noticed hypocrisy in many ways a greate deal.

Did you never consider that perhaps your 'reason' for stopping in among fellow Christians was 'seen' and 'felt' in the very beginning of your posts to us here ... that many felt JUDGED by your comments ...? :(

Obviously, as you said, your 'reason' for coming among us you had ALREADY JUDGED us to be 'hypocrites' ... :( and this came across strongly in how you 'spoke' TO or AT us I'm afraid ... :( and can you not also see that in this 'pre-judging' you could be seeing things from a biased view ... one that 'colored' your perceptions ...?

One of the beautiful reasons for the cafe is that we are seeking to no longer have a 'judgmental' attitude toward others ... but seeking to find things we have in common with one another and build upon it ... to strengthen one another to remain true and steadfast to our God and his Son ... to encourage those who are downtrodden, lost, lonely, scared ... who feel alone or unwanted or confused as to why things are happening as they are ... as the scriptures invite us to do ...

1Thess. 5:11 ...

11 Therefore keep comforting one another and building one another up, just as YOU are in fact doing.

Heb. 10:24,25 ...

24 And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, 25 not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near.

Another purpose of our board is to dig into the scriptures as well, seeking, knocking, asking for wisdom, guidance and discernment as to how to live our lives as best as we can in imitation of our Lord!

Prov. 2:1-5 ...

2 My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God.

You also said ...

I was convicted to witness to this forum. I did my best to do it but since you are so hard-hearted about it, I wash my hands and move on.


In your 'witnessing' to 'us' ... did you never stop to consider that you may have been a bit 'harsh' in your delivery ...? Did you never stop to consider that instead of speaking as with 'honey', 'gold apples', 'tact', 'seasoning' and so on that you were alienating those of YOUR FELLOW CHRISTIANS ... that you were hurting them by the tone of 'how' you were speaking ...?

People were DRAWN TO our Lord ... not AWAY FROM by those who recognized the LOVE he had for them and for who they recognized he was! Isn't that the kind of example we are to imitate? Isn't that the kind of way he wants us to speak with others?

I say this with kindness and good intentions that perhaps you may think this over before going to another to another board to 'judge' them and 'berate' them for 'their' hypocrisy as well ... :(

As to your being 'threatened to be banned' ...

If it was the intention of the admin. team to 'ban' you for continually speaking to your fellow brothers and sisters in an unkind way don't you think you would have been so already after SEVERAL times of your refusing to see that your manner has been one of division and hurt to the board ...?

Contrary to your 'belief' ... the admin. team and moderators don't want to see anyone banned ... and 'we' (as I am a helper too) seek to go out of our way to try to keep peace and harmony on the board and work with those who seem to be having difficulties in one way or another ...

Your leaving is YOUR choice ... not ours ... and so I hope it doesn't get 'spun' that you were asked to leave ... for that isn't so ...

You are welcome to stay in the hopes that perhaps you may learn something from us and we could perhaps learn something from you ... your know ... the 'iron sharpening iron' kind of thing ... ;)

Also, we are NO ONE'S 'BOSS' ... :( and that is a very unfair and untrue illustration to use ... and one that maybe someday you will come to see ... and if not ... well so be it ... :(:dontknow:

I too hope and pray that God be with you ... and that He will watch over you and that you will continue to grow, as we, as servants of Him and followers of his dearly loved Son, Christ Jesus! :heartbeat:

May you find peace and joy in your service to God and Christ and spread LOVE and HOPE and FAITH around as they want us to!

Your sister, BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:

Well, I can't add anything else to what you so wonderfully said, BR. :thumbsup:Joyful, it is my sincerest wish that you begin to season your words with salt, so that anyone coming to your forum, will be built up, and not disheartened by your never ending judgementalism, and lack of empathy and compassion.This , of course doesn't mean you don't possess those wonderful qualities, just that they don't shine through.:dontknow: If you want to draw others to Christ through your forum,don't berate them with cold and uncaring words.:read: Be like your master, Jesus. Understanding their needs, and doing everything in your power, to attract others to God, rather than detract. I wish you all the best. :heartbeat:
Christian love and growth to you,
Sis Grateful:giverose:

It was nice knowing you joyful and hope you have much success in your quest to expose and condemn the hypocrisy in the various online Christian discussion boards.



Many blessings to you and yours,

John

A few quotes from happier times.....let's remember them.
June 29,2007:

June 30, 2007:

July 2, 2007:

July 2, 2007:

What a wonderful positive beginning. What a shame that you remember your reason for being here as the following:

I prefer to remember you as the little one who sent me sacred songs. May you be blessed in your Christian journey sis:cheekkiss: Rez

Hi resolute,

I just read your comments and I had to explain what I meant.

Yes, I truly thought this forum was a place to voice my faith for God without feeling pressured to be banned because of my conviction. I thought this was very different because everyone seem to hate organized religion. But the more I get to know the more I was sure that this place is operating the same as everyone else. You are just looking for people who think and practice exactly like you. You ostracize people who are not exactly like you. That's how organized chruches operate. JW are seeking everone who conform to their rules, too.

I am sorry, I am done coopeating with organized mentality.

Jesus' servant and not for majory's christianity, hitomi.

you are very very wrong in your perceptions Hitomi but there just aren't enough words or ways to help you understand that. Hopefully you will find what you are looking for somewhere--I wish you nothing but the best--with christian Love--wolfie....

wolfy,

I am not lying about pressured to be banned many times. Many privilages were taken away from me. I got suspended many times. You make up rules to ostrasize everyone who is not one of majority. You vote to ostrasize people who dont agree with most of you. Jesus is for everyone, not just for majorty. Thats how the secular world works and that's what you follow too. This is exactly what is going on, a double standard. And you don't seem to recognize it; it is so strange to me. We will be judged according to what we do and say. I know you dont like Jesus' warning but it's His word. If you don't like it, complain to Him, friend.

Good day.

hitomi

Hitomi, you are making this a very long, tedious exit! :(:readthis: Perhaps you secretly like us after all, as you seem to have a hard time saying goodbye!:dontknow: Or perhaps you are only 'joyful' when berating others!:dontknow: :readthis:You have your own forum now, so why don't you go there?:help: Remember, your words will either attract or detract, Hitomi. It's your choice!:dontknow::read:I hope you find success there, really I do.:read:

Goodbye, Hitomi :hibye:
Sis Grateful :giverose:

Hi Joyful, At times I am sure I'm a stone in the shoe of many but I must say that EVERYONE at the Cafe has been VERY kind and Loving to me. GOD wants us to be obedient and keep His commandments out of Love not fear. We have a great example in Matt:11:29

Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Don't toss away these guys!!

The funny thing about Love is when you pour it out often more comes back to you than you poured out.


" In Warm Christian Love "

BB:happyheart::heartbeat::happyheart:

sorry Hitomi--this makes absolutely no sense to me at all and applies to me not at all either. I really tried to be your friend and I tried to help you be successful here in posting however I now see you are posting here and then going to your forum and posting about us--that isn't very nice Hitomi and not very Christian. The judgement we should perhaps be worried about tho is our own--again Hitomi--I wish you well and nothing less....I hope you make your forum just what you want it to be.... :hibye:

Sorry,

I could not make you understand the hypocrisy of Christian community and I tried very hard to make you understand. I am sorry for trying. BB, you are in the trinitarian community and your theologies and practice of chistianity is filled with hypocrisy. I have been exposing in my forum all kinds of hypocrisy that is going on. I don't think anyone here wants to hear it because they will be convicted.

Tata:hibye:

Hi there hitomi ...

After just reading your comments I couldn't help but make a comment after I saw your response above ... :(


I could not make you understand the hypocrisy of Christian community and I tried very hard to make you understand. I am sorry for trying.

Hitomi as has been said to you before more than once I'm pretty sure ... each and every one of us here already know that there is hypocrisy in the Christian community ... :( it was foretold to happen was it not ... ? :read:

That is why we are warned in God's Word to keep an eye on how WE walk as followers of Christ ... seeking to display the fruits of the spirit in OUR lives so that hopefully others will see the benefits of living a Christ-like life and thus helping others to see where they can make improvement or needed changes.

Should we ever feel 'sorry for trying' to help others ...? Do you think Christ Jesus did even when the majority refused to listen ...?

No, but rather, like his Father he feels bad that people do not see the love and hope they so foolishly and callously reject :( and the awesome life that they could have ... :thumbsup:

I do not know why you continually call us 'hypocrites' ... :(

This is very unkind and judgmental ... and IMHO not true at all ...

You have mostly (not always) showed to us an 'antagonistic' and 'condescending' attitude ... in spite of repeated attempts to seek out a way for you see us fellow brothers and sisters in Christ ... :friends::grouphug:

Your calling people 'friend' ... whether you realize it or not ... comes across as very cold and unloving ... is this your intention ...? :dontknow:

I would hope not ... :(

Please hitomi ... take out the hard stone that seems to be laying in your heart ... and instead replace it with a warm cushion ... one that will be comfortable for you to carry ... and easier for people to 'sit with you' ... if you can understand my poor illustration ... ;):heartbeat:

Christ Jesus wants us to be merciful toward one another, kind, caring, loving, seeking to understand why a person believes or does what he does, and then look for ways to help instead of hinder ... to draw toward instead of draw away ...

It is something we all are seeking to do ... to show the POSITIVE side of what being a footstep follower of Christ means ... and the GOOD that can result to us for doing so ... :thumbup:

I am sure this is the message you want to get across don't you ...? :dontknow:

I can only hope so ... for it is the message of GOOD NEWS that we seek to spread ... a message of HOPE ... a message of LOVE ... and in these to things people can begin to build upon their FAITH ... in God and in their relationship with Him and in their future!!

I think that some individuals come to these boards in the hopes of perhaps seeking an answer ... and sometimes an answer to a question they may not even know they have ... some seek fellowship of other Christians ... some seek to share their beliefs ... and others seek to show why they belief as they do ... or doubt as they doubt ...

How are we to respond ...? In a harsh or judgmental way ... thinking we are superior in some way ...?

I would rather seek to be MERCIFUL ... to seek a common ground and then dig into scripture to seek GOD'S mind on things rather than my own. Is this being a hypocrite? Is this seeking to have our 'way' or 'rules'?

I really wish you could see your perceptions are not correct and begin to see the real beauty here among brothers and sisters who are seeking refuge, solace, comfort, support, encouragement and so on ... for if you don't you will be really missing out on something very precious and I feel truly sorry for you ... :(

Wishing you all the best in your spiritiual journey hitomi ... again may Jah and his Son watch over you ... Christian love BR :sheepy: :heartbeat:

Hitomi,

For someone who said at the top of this page that this was your last post, you have been a very busy girl. I counted at least a dozen posts in the last 3 days.

But I agree with you, you HAVE been trying!

:D