Designs suggested: The question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
A Covenant for all who Believe and wish to follow Jesus.
A Covenant for only an elite select group from among all Believers.
Who were invited to the ancient Passovers is a good starting point.
In Christ
designsThe question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
A Covenant for all who Believe and wish to follow Jesus.
A Covenant for only an elite select group from among all Believers.
Who were invited to the ancient Passovers is a good starting point.
In Christ
designs
Desciple: The Watchtower followers will stand on the Christian door steps telling us, that our faith will not save us, with out them being involved.
When dealing with JW's, one must take the time to take them back the milk of the word. The WT found them in condemnation and kept them there, as we will see. The JW was never shown the subjects of Solteriology, (the study's of salvation). They were always kept to busy studying from 'book' studies that kept them majoring in the minors. like, 'Soil sleep.' Where are the dead? Are there wicked spirits? Why we grow old and die? God 's kingdom comes into power, the last days of this wicked system of things, Righteous rule makes earth a paradise, the true church and its foundation, how to identify the religion, "get out from among them.', popular custums that displeases God, Christian obedience to Law, Godly respect for life, and blood, (the blood issue),building a happy family life, your decision to serve God, true worship-a way of life.
This is taken from the endext pg. of one of their "book" studies. A six month ('book' study) course that they must complete before they are allowed to be baptised.This is not including their required Watchtower and Awake studies. This also does not include the required reading of their other 'tuesday night' "book" studies. They are always in a new 'book' study. None of which develops their understanding on the subjects I have brought to our attention (below). None of their books show the JW the dangerous position the WT places them in, by their failure to reveal the mystery to innocent minds.
So some times, we can unknowingly get ahead of our selves. You see gang, innocent minds have been (unknowingly) programed to "always" bring up some minor, 'non salvational' subject that might be interesting, but has no bearing on ones worth in the eyes of God.
Such as ....
Who are justified as righteous in the eyes of God?
Who are in Christ? Is he in each believer?
Is each believer a son (or daughter) of God? Or do only 144000 people have all these qualities mentioned?
Is each believer (in the eyes of God) a spiritual Jew?
Does God want each believer to have a heart of flesh, or a heart of stone?
Does God expect only 144000 people to have a (spiritually) circumcised heart?
Who are sanctified?
"Who belongs to Jesus?
Can anyone with 'all' of these qualities, partake of the communion of the Lord's Supper? Solving the subjects above, answers this one.
In this case,it would behoove everyone to stop long enough to see if there is any difference between anyone in the congregation other than position and (un confessed ) sin. The answer to this also lies in the subjects above and below.
How many baptisems do the Watchtower teach there are?
They say one but in reality they teach that there are 'two' baptisms.
Also it should be pointed out just what is a congregation?
Is it not a body of 'people?'
In the biblical sence, 'Is it divided or is it one?' (The bible only gives the reader 3 -4 chances to get this right. Ephesians 4:4, Col. 1:18, 24).
It is so late for me. I must be going, but Let's take the time to do all these subjects and leave any scripture each of us find for each subject. some will like to take off on one while one will take of on a noughter on. Once we exaust ourselves with as many passages as we can bring to the plate, perhaps one of us can sort of build the blocks as we go along, (by cutting and paisting) every thing together, and bringing each subject along with us as we go so it will wind up as one completed work sheet everyone can save on their computors.
so someone take off and this will make for a very good study.
Thank you for your kind words. God blees you.
Disciple
Hi Bro Disciple
I think most of these points have been covered. Why not use the search engine to locate the points and then collate them for us.
You say
Does God expect only 144000 people to have a (spiritually) circumcised heart?
Here is a thought from the new watchtower study Mag just for our brotherhood.
When did the Watchtower say the number was completed?
Designs suggested: The question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
He did not say "Do this because I am inaugurating a covenant." He said, "Do this in remembrance of me." He was about to offer his life for the sins of Israel and the world. That blood would be the basis of the NC to be established in the future. Case closed, end of story. 
Designs suggested: The question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
He did not say "Do this because I am inaugurating a covenant." He said, "Do this in remembrance of me." He was about to offer his life for the sins of Israel and the world. That blood would be the basis of the NC to be established in the future. Case closed, end of story.
freyd you are so tactful brother.
And look what happened to Jesus for his lack of tactfulness. BTW I thought you had announced your departure in lieu of communion with your rosey brethren. Don't they want to read your book?
Designs suggested: The question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
A Covenant for all who Believe and wish to follow Jesus.
A Covenant for only an elite select group from among all Believers.
Who were invited to the ancient Passovers is a good starting point.
In Christ
designsThe question then becomes- Which type of Covenant did Jesus inaugerate on that fateful Passover, and who are invited to partake.
A Covenant for all who Believe and wish to follow Jesus.
A Covenant for only an elite select group from among all Believers.
Who were invited to the ancient Passovers is a good starting point.
In Christ
designs
Desciple: The Watchtower followers will stand on the Christian door steps telling us, that our faith will not save us, with out them being involved.
When dealing with JW's, one must take the time to take them back the milk of the word. The WT found them in condemnation and kept them there, as we will see. The JW was never shown the subjects of Solteriology, (the study's of salvation). They were always kept to busy studying from 'book' studies that kept them majoring in the minors. like, 'Soil sleep.' Where are the dead? Are there wicked spirits? Why we grow old and die? God 's kingdom comes into power, the last days of this wicked system of things, Righteous rule makes earth a paradise, the true church and its foundation, how to identify the religion, "get out from among them.', popular custums that displeases God, Christian obedience to Law, Godly respect for life, and blood, (the blood issue),building a happy family life, your decision to serve God, true worship-a way of life.
This is taken from the endext pg. of one of their "book" studies. A six month ('book' study) course that they must complete before they are allowed to be baptised.This is not including their required Watchtower and Awake studies. This also does not include the required reading of their other 'tuesday night' "book" studies. They are always in a new 'book' study. None of which develops their understanding on the subjects I have brought to our attention (below). None of their books show the JW the dangerous position the WT places them in, by their failure to reveal the mystery to innocent minds.
So some times, we can unknowingly get ahead of our selves. You see gang, innocent minds have been (unknowingly) programed to "always" bring up some minor, 'non salvational' subject that might be interesting, but has no bearing on ones worth in the eyes of God.
Such as ....
Who are justified as righteous in the eyes of God?
Who are in Christ? Is he in each believer?
Is each believer a son (or daughter) of God? Or do only 144000 people have all these qualities mentioned?
Is each believer (in the eyes of God) a spiritual Jew?
Does God want each believer to have a heart of flesh, or a heart of stone?
Does God expect only 144000 people to have a (spiritually) circumcised heart?
Who are sanctified?
"Who belongs to Jesus?
Can anyone with 'all' of these qualities, partake of the communion of the Lord's Supper? Solving the subjects above, answers this one.
In this case,it would behoove everyone to stop long enough to see if there is any difference between anyone in the congregation other than position and (un confessed ) sin. The answer to this also lies in the subjects above and below.
How many baptisems do the Watchtower teach there are?
They say one but in reality they teach that there are 'two' baptisms.
Also it should be pointed out just what is a congregation?
Is it not a body of 'people?'
In the biblical sence, 'Is it divided or is it one?' (The bible only gives the reader 3 -4 chances to get this right. Ephesians 4:4, Col. 1:18, 24).
It is so late for me. I must be going, but Let's take the time to do all these subjects and leave any scripture each of us find for each subject. some will like to take off on one while one will take of on a noughter on. Once we exaust ourselves with as many passages as we can bring to the plate, perhaps one of us can sort of build the blocks as we go along, (by cutting and paisting) every thing together, and bringing each subject along with us as we go so it will wind up as one completed work sheet everyone can save on their computors.
so someone take off and this will make for a very good study.
Thank you for your kind words. God blees you.
Disciple
Hi Disciple and welcome to the WT 'burnt outs' site. Sometimes the bros get a little sharp around the edges here being that they've been manipulated by hypocricy for so long. Anyway, just a suggestion. Try to separate what you are quoting (colourize of quote signs) from what you are actually saying so that we understand you better. I think some are misunderstanding where you're coming from.
sw
Hi Disciple
and welcome to this christian sanctuary.
designs
Desciple: The Watchtower followers will stand on the Christian door steps telling us, that our faith will not save us, with out them being involved.
When dealing with JW's, one must take the time to take them back the milk of the word. The WT found them in condemnation and kept them there, as we will see. The JW was never shown the subjects of Solteriology, (the study's of salvation). They were always kept to busy studying from 'book' studies that kept them majoring in the minors. like, 'Soil sleep.' Where are the dead? Are there wicked spirits? Why we grow old and die? God 's kingdom comes into power, the last days of this wicked system of things, Righteous rule makes earth a paradise, the true church and its foundation, how to identify the religion, "get out from among them.', popular custums that displeases God, Christian obedience to Law, Godly respect for life, and blood, (the blood issue),building a happy family life, your decision to serve God, true worship-a way of life.
i think i understand your point Disciple in that salvation is theory is quite simple, it is the faith in Christ jesus that saves us rather than the WT complicated mixture of doctrine and scripture which are designed to lead to worship of an organisation that proclaims to have the truth, rather than to our lord and saviour jesus Christ.
i agree in that it is christ we must look to and it through him that we find the Father
the father and the son work together using the power of the holy spirit to gather worshipers
no-one comes to me unless the Father draws him"
"no-one can go to the Father except through me"
Jesus told a samaritan woman
"the hour is coming and is now when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship him"
" God is spirit and those worshiping him must worship in spirit and truth"
so the father is searching constantly for true worshipers he guides them to christ who reveals the father to them through himself
" He who believes in me believes not in me but in Him who sent me
and he who sees me sees he who sent me" john 12 44,45
so i agree that the WT sheep are sent to our doors with a message but that message fades Christ out of the loop.
It replaces salvation by the Son of God with salvation by studying WT literature and working for the organisation, promoting them as the F&D slave.
The love of God that is in Christ is replaced by the love of the faithful and discrete slave who are self appointed men who have now been found out by some.
Many at this site and elsewhere still suffer from scars of betrayal that WT "truth" has cut them with.
it is indeed teriffying when talking to a practising JW because in your mind you know nothing you say will change theirs, but they may well have to come to terms by themselves, waking up to the reality and experiencing the mental hurt that comes with the realisation that they have been lied to by people they trusted with their lives.
so my friend when they call on me i try to be gentle and use scripture to stimulate thinking but the WT is indeed a tower and it is very hard to break through its walls.
but those walls will collapse with the arrival of Christ.
christian love
elihu
thought you had announced your departure
Sorry to disappoint you freyd
Don't they want to read your book?
I have not published it yet. Would you like to read it? You could show it to your Son, Neighbours, Old friends, Sam, Adam and even your Mother Free, friends. OK freyd.
Don't they want to read your book?
I have not published it yet. Would you like to read it?
Obviously not. And neither would anybody else I know. Stay with art. You can be more subjective rather than trying to be analytical. LOL 
it is indeed teriffying when talking to a practising JW because in your mind you know nothing you say will change theirs, but they may well have to come to terms by themselves, waking up to the reality and experiencing the mental hurt that comes with the realisation that they have been lied to by people they trusted with their lives.
It goes both ways though. For just as it was terrifying to me calling upon those who were too set in their beliefs, I kept reminding myself that none have it down so accurately as to say, "we have the truth without exception!" But to have the truth, there must be a readiness to be corrected for truth to find it's way into one's heart. And there must be an honesty respecting our own belief which we felt at one time was infallible but which still needs to be proved and even reproved before we start removing the straw from another's eye while straining 'gnats' from our own formerly disprovable beliefs.
As for me, I give credit where credit is due. No one taught me better the meaning of Jesus' model prayer than JW's as they did with so many fundamentals that were all there and open for discussion. That was what I liked and still like, but now that I've been weened I can press on to maturity even in my own ministry over which I am far more effective by acknowledging my past mistakes and learning not to hate even my enemies, for who knows that I might save some who are still as blind as I once was.
sw
Exactly, SW! They are what we all used to be.
Their time will come.
I'm sure ther are many waking up right now.It will all come out in the end.
Jehovah will see to that.
Agape,
Sis Grateful
Disciple:
Each believer is justified as righteous in the eyes of God
Romans 3
Romans 4:1-10
Romans 5:1, titus 3:5, (God sees His people "in Christ." We are no longer guilty. "Jesus took our sins away on the cross, (1Jn. 1:9).
Each believer a son (or daughter) of God. Not just a 144000 believing Jews mentioned in Rev. 7). John 1:12, Galatians 3:26,
Roams 8:14, Galatians 5:18.
Each believer is in Christ? The Spirit of Jesus Christ is dwelling in each believer, (the congregation as a whole).
John 14:23, John 15:1-8, John 17:19-21, John 6:53-56, revelation 3:20, Romans 8:1. The sad truth is my JW friends, the WT has decietfully hid this mystery from loving people who only wanted to know the truth in a way that pleased Him. How could anyone really worship Him in spirit and truth, when they were (unknowingly kept from thinking Jesus wants to have a "personal" relationship with each person that puts faith and 'trust' in him,' to indwell each man and woman, (Rev. 3:20). In other words, no one can be in the truth unless they are in Christ and he in them. Did not Paul teach this very thing, (2 Corinthians 13:5)?(Galatians 4:19,) ?'(Rom.8:1?)
How else can a person ward off 'defeat the devil or a demon on their own power?' 1 John 4:4How in the world can 'anyone,' defeat the devil and the demons unless the Spirit of Jehovah is dwelling in them?'- 1 John 4:15. Our Master has already defeated the demons and their master. Dear JW think, 'Are you thinking that it is under your power strength, or wisdom that a demon is powerless to cause you harm?'
The holy Son of the Living God lives in you. 'You are the temple of the living God.' Please repent and start studying these subjects here.'
Always remember in reading the bible that, "the plainest is the mainest." stop allowing the WT to put fear in you. christians are free in Christ.- Galatians 4:19. You don't need my 'wonderful' (Calvary Chapel) congregation to be saved. You don't need the best Pastor in the world, ('mine'), nor anyone elses either! Start putting faith in Jesus words in Mt. 16:18! He will never leave you!
So leaving any pastor, congregation, or denomination or 'organization because of false teaching is not synonomus for leaving Jesus Christ.
We will cover these next subjects next time. May the Lord God bless each one of you and your families.
Next time, the Good lord willing.........
Does God want each believer to have a heart of flesh, or a heart of stone?
Does God expect only 144000 people to have a (spiritually) circumcised heart?
Is ach believer (in the eyes of God) a spiritual Jew?
Who are sanctified?
"What does the bible have to say about "Who belongs to Jesus?
Can anyone with 'all' of these qualities, partake of the communion of the Lord's Supper? Solving the subjects above, answers this one.
In this case,it would behoove everyone to stop long enough to see if there is any difference between anyone in the congregation other than position and (un confessed ) sin. The answer to this also lies in the subjects above and below, -Romans 3:22, Gal. 3:26.
How many baptisems do the Watchtower teach there are?
They say one but in reality they teach that there are 'two' baptisms.
But the bible teaches there is only one baptism.'
Also it should be pointed out just what is a congregation?
'Is it not a body of 'people?'
Passages in the bible are not complicated. Bible passages are simple. They only get complicated when the cults attempt to change them.
In the biblical sence, is the congregation ('the Church,') divided, or is it one body of people that God has 'set aside from the unholy body? of people of the world? (The bible only gives the reader 3 -4 chances to get this bible subject right with these simple clear passages. (Unless of course someone wants to go beyond what is written, - 1Cor.4:6)
(1.) Ephesians 4:4,
(2.) Col. 1:18,
(3.) 24).
The Watchtower organization takes a 'clear' passage, and tries to explain it away with an unclear pasage. That is not the correct way to teach someone to study god's holy word. "The plainest is the mainest the professors say.
The organization once used the Old King James Bible. Then they switched to the American Standard version. After all their old "failed" end time dates din't come true, and Jesus didn't come back 'visably as he said he would. Their followers began leaving in masse at that time.
They had to stop the flow, so they were forced to find a bible that would support all their 'peculiar' doctrines. None yet had been found, so they were forced to invent their own bible. They realilized the 'jig' was up and told everyone that Jesus came back ...'invisably.'
Regardless of how many times their newbies deny the WT nver said it/that they were a prophet/s, ....(next time we will see what a true prophet looks like using their own material..)
We are to draw attention to only our Father. He gets the glory.' Only to Jesus. Only he gets the glory.' By No other name can we be saved.' Notice who they want you to look to, (sacrifice a calf for)put trust in.
Your attitude toward the anointed is the determining factor whether you go into everlasting cutting off or everlasting life”. WT/81/p. 26
I thought John 3:16 was the way through the gate of salvation, not any one denomination or 'organization?' The Jim jones and the Mormans also say we must go through 'their' gate to find truth, (to please God). Sure there are groups out there we would not want to be associated with but any smart mother would never throw the baby out with the wash water.
More 'strange' fire....
“So recognition of that governing body and its place in God’s theocratic arrangement of things is necessary for submission to the headship of God’s Son”. WT 12/15/1972/p.755
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Until next time,
Disciple