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hi new heart i don't understand
why is the holy spirit refered to as a "he" and not a "she"

john 14:16 " and i will pray the father and he will give you another Helper, that "HE" may abide with you forever
" the spirit of truth whom the world cannot recieve, because it neither sees "HIM or knows "HIM"
but you know "HIM" for hr dwells with you and will be with you"

John 14:26
" but the helper the holy spirit whom the father will send in my name
HE will teach you all things and bring to your rememberance all things that i have said to you"

john 16:7,8

" neverthless i tell you the truth it is for your advantage that i go away, for if i do not go away the helper will not come to you; but if i deoart i will send HIM to you
and when HE has come HE will convict the world of sin and righteousness and judgment"

i would say the woman in rev 12 is real in that the children she produces are human

" now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child"

there has to be a group of people on this planet who belong to God
who they are we still do not knowand we not do until Christ comes all of us will be part of the woman
we are her seed, her offspring, she represents the 12 tribes
we are part of the twelve tribes of Israel who are scattered in the four corners of the earth, from which those who are chosen to be in the covenant for the kingdom are taken (rev7)

but i have been wrong many times before
but i have to say the idea of a female holy Spirit is something unknown to me.

the reason why satan wants to kill the male child is because by the child coming into existance it sounds the death toll for him.
the birth of those who follow the lamb wherever he goes is the end of the argument for satan he cannot remain in heaven any longer his argument that man will not be loyal to god is crushed

we read
" then i heard a loud voice sayiong in heaven
" Now salvation and strength and the kingdom of our God and the power of his christ has come
FOR THE ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHEREN, WHO ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT, has been cast down"

" and THEY OVERCAME HIM by THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB and by the WORD OF THEIR testimony
and they did not love their lives to the death"

it seems clear to me that it is the birth and entrance to Gods presence of the 144k the male child identified as such in the scripture
is what satan tries to destroy , fails to do so, and then fights his corner to stay in heaven.

Just my thoughts

Elihu

If you read the early Greek translations and many older bibles, it is translated as she, her, and not him or it. You are only looking at the New World Translation the Watchtower Society wrote.

In Isaiah 66:7-16 it speaks about a she, and her, in the New World Translation

I have seen this woman, and it is not Mary like the Catholics believe. There is a woman in Rev. 12, and she is real. She is Wisdom. She is the Glory of Jehovah, just as a wife is the glory of her husband. I have been taken to heaven many times , and have seen Jesus, and thousand of angels who bore witness to this. I stood before them, and seen Jesus face to face, as his bride and this is how I know for sure. He offered me a diamond ring, and is with me always. I am not going to keep this secret any longer. I have seen the white stone, with the new name written, and I would never deny what the Holy Spirit and Jesus has shown me. Why should I keep on hiding this, just because no one has faith to believe in such things? I give my word and testimony.
New heart

hi New Heart,

no i am not using the NWT as reference.

all i would say about what you have said is that yes the woman is real in that she is not just symbolic but is composed of human beings who are in a covenant with christ the new covenant which he has made with the 12 tribes of Israel
and the male child is also real in that the twelve tribes in the NC give birth to the annointed who are in a covenant for a kingdom.

what you have described happening to yourself is obviously special and i am sure Jesus will guide and direct you with regard to persuading others to believe you.

as for me i am still searching scripture in harmony with the scripture found in Daniel 12: 4 NKJ

" But you Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall increase"

much christian love to you New Heart:heartbeat:
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Elihu