Hi Abe! If we put ourselves in historical context, we will understand why they wrote "let the reader use discernment".
Your are correct, IMO, that his disciples knew that he ment the Roman armies. But later, when these accounts were written, the political climate was volatile, and it would have been foolish for them to write anything derogatory about the Romans. That's why it was written in cryptic form. The same can be said of the cryptic language of Revelation also. Notice Johns expression, "here is where intelligence that has wisdom comes in".
e-magine,
It would be even more foolish for the Apostles to write down something that Jesus Christ said and purposely alter it.
How could a Christian have faith in what Jesus Christ said if they altered what he said?
Especially when they heard; "this is my son the beloved, listen to him".
The Apostles and Christians were already being persecuted by the Jews for everything Jesus Christ said anyway so why fear saying that Jerusalem would be surrounded by Romans.
In Christ
abe
the more I think about 'new light' the :rant::rant::rant: I get--
you can fool some of the people all of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time-- :love:
abe, The words, "let the reader user use discernment" were not Jesus' words, they were added by the writers for clarification. :friends:
abe, The words, "let the reader user use discernment" were not Jesus' words, they were added by the writers for clarification. :friends:
I'm glad you said that e-m - that seems to be the case and I agree. :)
abe, The words, "let the reader user use discernment" were not Jesus' words, they were added by the writers for clarification. :friends:
e-magine,
I disagree.
I believe that Jesus Christ did indeed say; "let the reader use discernment" in regard to his mentioning the writings of the words of the Prophet Daniel.
This is completely in line with Jesus Christs character, who often said; "let him who has ear listen".
I believe that Jesus Christ said these things when the meaning of his words had a deeper and more profound intention than the immediately obvious.
Jesus Christ is telling his disciples that in order to catch sight of what the disgusting thing was they would need to read Daniel and understand it.
Luke shows that Jesus Christ also said; "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies".
No need to read or understand Daniels prophecies for that!
It is important to think about it.
Lives are at stake depending on what your final determination is and continue convincing people to believe.
In Christ
abe
Hi abe, Every manuscript and translator I know of put those words in prentices to show they were added by the writers and not Jesus' words. But what do I know!
Hi abe, Every manuscript and translator I know of put those words in prentices to show they were added by the writers and not Jesus' words. But what do I know!
Oh, Noah Webster would turn in his grave! It's "parentheses", not "prentices":peace:
Hi abe, Every manuscript and translator I know of put those words in prentices to show they were added by the writers and not Jesus' words. But what do I know!
Oh, Noah Webster would turn in his grave! It's "parentheses", not "prentices":peace:
Ha Ha!:redface: Blame it on my spell checker and me being too quick on the mouse! (I really am a lousy speller)
But do you agree?
and, as it turns out, the words are actually in [[[[[[[brackets]]]]]]]. ;)
Hi abm
If Matthew and Mark already knew that Jesus Christ said the disgusting thing was a Roman Army then why would they not just write that?
Mathew, Mark and Luke were for different audiences. This is well known among scholars.
Mathew was writing particularly for Jews, which is why he would often refer back to the OT prophets. Luke was written particularly for Gentiles, which is perhaps why Luke's version of the Olivet prophecy is more straightforward.
Gentiles would not necessarily be familiar with Daniel at all, and Jews thought the prophecy about the "disgusting thing" applied to Antiochus Epiphanes in 163(?)BC.
As I said, Jesus' words were successfully understood by Christians of 66AD, when they fled Judea. They successfully discerned Daniel, unlike 1.1 million of their fellow Jews who died in the great tribulation that did not occur before or would occur again.