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(Article taken from JWD. link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/147699/1.ashx )

ARE THE "ANOINTED" OR 144,000 AMONG JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Perhaps you may have remembered reading in the bible upon occasion, or heard someone say: We should sing before God, a "New Song." Ever heard of this before? Well, the expression, "Sing a New Song" before God, is found many times within the Holy Scriptures.

For example in Psalms 96:1-3 where it states:

"Sing to Jehovah a new song. Sing to Jehovah, all the earth. Sing to Jehovah, bless his name. From day to day tell the good news of salvation by him. Declare among the nations his glory, Among all the peoples his wonderful works." -- New World Translation

There can be no question but that the "New Song" that the Psalmist Moses was referring to many years ago, actually had to do with magnifying God's Name to the most distant part of the earth, demonstrating his Grand Acts of Salvation, in behalf all members of mankind upon the earth. Therefore, the publishing or "Singing" of this "New Song" before God, thus would have great meaning to Him, in relation to the carrying out of His Grand Purposes toward the earth and its inhabitants. It would have to become a "Song" that all mankind...all mankind would have to hear and come to fully appreciate its import upon themselves. -- Genesis 22:18

However, even though we have come to realize this "New Song" of God, with all of its great importance to God, will one day soon, be heard in all of the earth for the benefit of mankind, still there is this most mysterious aspect about this "New Song" and what it might mean for us today, who stand to benefit from such an unveiling of this musical masterpiece from Jehovah God Himself. Yes, what is the true meaning of the coming "New Song" that God is going to bring forth to earth's inhabitants?

In years past, the Watchtower Society in many of their publications have given us an explanation of what they believed the "New Song" to be and who and when it is to be sung. Notice the following quotes below:

In the 1966 Watchtower magazine, page 184, under the subheading, THE GRAND THEME OF THE SONG, we learn this:

“And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the older persons.” So the song was not known and sung before 1914. It is new. The 144,000 integrity-keeping joint heirs with Christ are the first ones to vocalize it. Because of its singers and its content it is the greatest and most far-reaching anthem of the universe, for it is about the kingdom of God as the government that HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED SINCE 1914."

Also, the 1973 Watchtower magazine, page 401 paragraph 1 continues:

"JEHOVAH is being praised in a song that is heard throughout the earth today. No, it is not being sung by Levites. Nor can we hear an angelic chorus extolling God in the heights above. But we can hear the “new song,” sung in unison by prospective heirs of Jehovah’s heavenly government. (Rev. 14:1-4; 20:6; 22:5; Ps. 96:1, 10) It is the stirring anthem of God’s established kingdom that has functioned in heaven SINCE 1914 C.E. WITH THE GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST AS KING. Thousands have heard that gripping song with deep appreciation."

Then too, there was this comment from The Revelation Grand Climax book, chapter 29, page 200, paragraph 7, which adds:

"And what is this “new song”? As we noted in discussing Revelation 5:9, 10, the song has to do with Jehovah’s Kingdom purposes and his wonderful provision, through Jesus Christ, for making spiritual Israel “a kingdom and priests to our God.” It is a song of praise to Jehovah publicizing the new things he is accomplishing by means of the Israel of God and in behalf of it. (Galatians 6:16) Members of this spiritual Israel respond to the psalmist’s invitation: “Praise Jah, you people! Sing to Jehovah a new song, his praise in the congregation of loyal ones. Let Israel rejoice in its grand Maker, the sons of Zion—let them be joyful in their King.” (Psalm 149:1, 2) True, those words were written centuries ago, but in our day, they have been sung with new understanding. IN 1914 THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM WAS BORN. (Revelation 12:10) In 1919 Jehovah’s people on earth began to announce “the word of the kingdom” with renewed zeal. (Matthew 13:19) Stimulated by the Society’s yeartext for 1919 (Isaiah 54:17) and encouraged by their restoration to a spiritual paradise, they began in that year to ‘sing to Jehovah with music in their hearts.’—Ephesians 5:19."

Now, after reading the above, a very, very important question looms quite large, that you may be wondering about at this time, namely:

As you can see, according to the understanding of Jehovah's Witnesses, this "New Song" is tied completely to the date of 1914, when, as they teach, Jesus received full kingdom power in the heavens. Now this explanation presents a real problem for those of us who have learned and can prove that this particular date, either 1914 or 1919, has no validity or credibility as it cannot be substantiated using the Bible. Therefore, this being the case, many questions come to mind that need answers.

However, is it reasonable to believe this "New Song" from God has been sung or is being sung today currently by Jehovah's witnesses? Indeed, if it can be proven from the bible God's kingdom was not established in 1914 as taught by the Watchtower Society, then can 6.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses make a valid claim to be actually singing this special song, via the "anointed" who are supposed to be ONLY in their midst, some 7,000 or so strong? Indeed, can Jehovah's Witnesses actually teach the remnant of the 144,000 are strictly in their midst, the so-called "anointed" if you will, if the teaching of 1914 is found to be ultimately INCORRECT upon close examination? Yes, can they rightly make this claim at all?

Remember, the Watchtower Society claims this "New Song" is known only to members of the 144,000, which makes it impossible for anyone to properly sing this "New Song" BEFORE that date or new teaching became known...isn't that so? That's what they teach, isn't it? Therefore, no member of the 144,000 could properly sing this "New Song" itself, until after the teaching of 1914 became known.

So what this means of course, since Jehovah's witnesses teach God has been gathering the 144,000 approximately over a 2,000 year period, since Jesus' death, that only a small portion (a small remnant) of this group could actually gain the grand opportunity to really "Sing" this "New Song" because those who died before this date could not have even learned about the mysterious date of 1914 per say. Now, what do you think of that?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Given that understanding of the singing of the "New Song," doesn’t this indicate that the Watchtower Society has actually assumed and adopted the fatal reasoning that not ALL, ALL of the 144,000 actually get to really "Sing" the Brand "New Song" of God? Is that the only logical conclusion that we could come to, given such a faulty reasoning and premise presented by the Watchtower Society?

Realistically, doesn't this show the Watchtower Society itself, actually does not understand how this "New Song" will be properly presented to all mankind? Also, doesn't this clearly show the Watchtower Society and 6.5 million Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, actually do NOT know the true identify of the 144,000, since Revelation 14:3 makes it crystal-clear all...and that's all, of the 144,000 and NOT a portion of them, actually get to sing the Grand "New Song" before God and the "Lamb"? Isn't that what the bible teaches?

Yes, in the light of the above information, can the Watchtower Society really say that members from their group, members from the Jehovah's witnesses organization, actually understand what this "New Song" is, who is to sing it and when it is to be sung?

Think about it.

Remember, the Watchtower Society claims that there are today some 7,000 plus members of the "anointed" remnant of the 144,000, elite members of this special group mentioned in Revelation 14:1-5. Keep in mind that verse 5 in part says of the 144,000:

“...and no falsehood was found in their mouths, they are without blemish.”

However as so many are beginning to realize, if the teaching of 1914 can be proven to be a lie or complete falsehood in itself, are we to believe that certain members (the so-called "anointed") of the Jehovah's Witnesses today at large, FIT THE HOLY DESCRIPTION OF ONES WHO "HAVE NO FALSEHOOD IN THEIR MOUTHS"? Can we truthfully say that? Again, can we say someone, who claims to be the "anointed" of God and members of the 144,000, who has taught a blatant falsehood or false doctrine like the teaching of 1914, in association with a religious organization that has taught this for over 125 years, be said to be holy persons who have "no falsehood found in their mouths," just as promised by God Himself of the elite group we call the 144,000? Hardly![/size]


(Article taken from JWD. link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/147699/1.ashx )
Mary Bee

points all well taken and well pointed out... the Society has crossed over on their own reasoning hundreds of times since 1914... interestingly enough, previous to this date the society under its former head taught that the new song was the high calling for the gathering of this class, and that only they could sing it because only they are a part of that class. The world in general will sing a song also... the song of Moses... i.e., the sentiments typed by the song Moses sang after safely crossing the sea and escaping the Pharaoh...

the Song of Moses and the New Song (of the Lamb)... two messages to two phases of Jehovah's Kingdom.. heavenly and earthly

my opinion

God bless

Heartbeat
they would respondf the ons in heaven sing it now along with them about 1914
Hi Mary Bee,
pleased to meet you here at our haven of Christian discussion.
i have to complement you on your thread it is well presented in fact so much so even i understood it Big Grin

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JEHOVAH is being praised in a song that is heard throughout the earth today. No, it is not being sung by Levites. Nor can we hear an angelic chorus extolling God in the heights above. But we can hear the “new song,” sung in unison by prospective heirs of Jehovah’s heavenly government. (Rev. 14:1-4; 20:6; 22:5; Ps. 96:1, 10) It is the stirring anthem of God’s established kingdom that has functioned in heaven SINCE 1914 C.E. WITH THE GLORIFIED JESUS CHRIST AS KING. Thousands have heard that gripping song with deep appreciation."


yes the wto link the "New song" specifically to the 1914 doctrine and the invisible Presence of Christ.

what i note about this song it is sung when christ is with all the 144k on mount Zion
this is not about an "invisible presence", but is about when he has gathered them all to Him is it not?

1 thess 4:15

" for this we say to you by the word of the lord, that we who are alive and remain until the Coming of the Lord will by no means proceed those who fall asleep
16 for the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of an Archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first
17 then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air
and thus we shall always be with the Lord"


so they cannot claim to be singing the song if there are still annointed left on the earth can they?

i would say no they cannot be singing the NEW SONG!
but they keep repeatedly chirping on about the invisible presence of Christ, who chose them as the F&DS in 1914.
that song is right at the bottom of the charts now!

Elihu

Mary Bee,

Good topic! I had asked myself the same question too before, because I did not swallow the WTS explanation. What I believe now is much simpler and makes more sense to me:

Our Lord in symbol pointed out to us the fact that the message of his grace in the closing days of this Age would be so different from the commonly accepted message, misnamed the Gospel, that it would properly be termed a new song, although it would be the old song of Moses--the message of blessing typified by the writings of Moses and by all the ceremonies of the Law, and the message of the Lamb, the good tidings announced in connection with our Lord's birth, and throughout his own ministry, when all the people "bare him record, and wondered at the gracious words that proceeded out of his mouth"; and the testimony of all the apostles respecting the Lamb of God and the great work to be accomplished by him in taking "away the sin of the world." It is merely this same song that is now being sung by those whom God has blessed with a knowledge of this truth. It is "the joyful sound" which only the people thus blessed know or can sing. Heartbeat

In answer to the main question (..."Anointed" among JW's), I would say probably so, but it would be best for them to get out now.

John Wrote:
Mary Bee,

Good topic! I had asked myself the same question too before, because I did not swallow the WTS explanation. What I believe now is much simpler and makes more sense to me:

Our Lord in symbol pointed out to us the fact that the message of his grace in the closing days of this Age would be so different from the commonly accepted message, misnamed the Gospel, that it would properly be termed a new song, although it would be the old song of Moses--the message of blessing typified by the writings of Moses and by all the ceremonies of the Law, and the message of the Lamb, the good tidings announced in connection with our Lord's birth, and throughout his own ministry, when all the people "bare him record, and wondered at the gracious words that proceeded out of his mouth"; and the testimony of all the apostles respecting the Lamb of God and the great work to be accomplished by him in taking "away the sin of the world." It is merely this same song that is now being sung by those whom God has blessed with a knowledge of this truth. It is "the joyful sound" which only the people thus blessed know or can sing. Heartbeat

In answer to the main question (..."Anointed" among JW's), I would say probably so, but it would be best for them to get out now.


Amen to that John - DITTO!

Hi Mary Hibye- decided to try again, I see. . .Detective

LoriHappyheart

In standard New Covenant Theology the 144,000 are considered symbolic of all faithful believers and followers of Jesus Christ. The song they sing is a song of joy over their being delivered and saved by Jesus. A Believer alone understands why Jesus came to earth as a Redeemer and Savior and they live accordingly.

In some Evangelical Dispensationalist circles they apply this passage to Observant Jews who recognize and accept Jesus as the true Messiah at or near the Second Advent.

agape

designs
Mary Bee, are you not actually MadMary of the DonBurney group?Big GrinDon't Know
[quote=designs]
In standard New Covenant Theology the 144,000 are considered symbolic of all faithful believers and followers of Jesus Christ. The song they sing is a song of joy over their being delivered and saved by Jesus. A Believer alone understands why Jesus came to earth as a Redeemer and Savior and they live accordingly.

In some Evangelical Dispensationalist circles they apply this passage to Observant Jews who recognize and accept Jesus as the true Messiah at or near the Second Advent.

agape

designs

They all sing the same song because they are all vibrating on the Christed frequency, with his heart and their's already joined as one, engaged and committed only to following Him as their head. They all sing the same tune, because the song they sing is all the same because Jesus gave them the words to say, through the Holy Spirit, therefore no falsehoods in their mouths.

They have already mastered the song of Moses as well.
Hi New Heart,

Could you give a further explanation of your thought on 'they are all vibrating on the Christed frequency'. Thanks.

In Christ

designs

New Heart Wrote:
[quote=designs]
In standard New Covenant Theology the 144,000 are considered symbolic of all faithful believers and followers of Jesus Christ. The song they sing is a song of joy over their being delivered and saved by Jesus. A Believer alone understands why Jesus came to earth as a Redeemer and Savior and they live accordingly.

In some Evangelical Dispensationalist circles they apply this passage to Observant Jews who recognize and accept Jesus as the true Messiah at or near the Second Advent.

agape

designs

They all sing the same song because they are all vibrating on the Christed frequency, with his heart and their's already joined as one, engaged and committed only to following Him as their head. They all sing the same tune, because the song they sing is all the same because Jesus gave them the words to say, through the Holy Spirit, therefore no falsehoods in their mouths.

They have already mastered the song of Moses as well.

In the same way that Jesus was enlightened on the day he was baptised when the Holy Spirit symbol of the dove came, and he heard His Father voice, this is my son the beloved, whom I have approved. After that he knew he had to be tested in the wilderness. It was never the same for him from the day on. He was filled with the Holy Spirit and he knew exactly what his mission was till it was fulfilled. He was filled with this Higher frequency. He knew all his Fathers thoughts. Jehovahs thoughts are of a higher power and frequency.

Our body is a complete energetic field and by expanding our awareness of the components underlying coherence, such as the absorption of light into our cells, we can take steps to move into more complete coherence, with resultant benefits to our physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual well-being. To reach the Christed frequency, we must fully consentrate on taking Him into our lives and praying for complete coherence by asking Jehovah for Wisdom, and feeding off Him alone and absorbing Him as our food/bread/light in complete Faith in what He taught us when He said that Only through Him can we gain life. When we do this He lives in us and through us, and we also have His mind, which vibrates at a higher frequency, meaning, they sing the same song...all in the same tune...insinc
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