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Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

I have contended that in light of the prophecies of Ezekiel chapter 13 and of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, the Antichrist resides behind a whitewashed wall at Brooklyn Bethel, misleading Jehovah's people into apostasy. We have seen how false prophecies have caused the sheep to grow impatient in waiting upon our Lord Jesus to return, and have instead turned to a golden calf, following the traditions of men and surrendering truth to a group of power-hungry evil slaves.

I know that many of you may not agree, and that the Watchtower and all of its lies is insignificant in prophecy. But consider this:

We know of the Watchtower's investments in the warfare technology of Rand-Cam and sister corporations:

http://www.geocities.com/wtgreed/article.htm

On August 2, 2007, the US Congress proposed a bill which, if passed into law, would mean that your words and actions could be considered terrorism. S 1959 EVISCERATES FREE SPEECH, and empowers the United States Government to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, and no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court.

To download a PDF file of this bill, click here:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/...is.txt.pdf

For more information on this bill, click here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1955

and here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959

There have been found strong links to this bill with Rand Corporation, click here:

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=941

Perhaps this is manifestation of some of the reasons why Fritz Springmeier claims that the Watchtower Headquarters at Brooklyn Bethel is also the secret headquarters of the Illuminati.

Love,
Jesh

:shocked:

Is that your summary of H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007, Jesh? My hope is that the folks here just don't take your word for it, but research the actual bill (which has passed the House already by a vote of 404-6) and find out what it says.

Here's the summary:

Congressional Research Service Summary

The following summary is provided by the Congressional Research Service, which is a nonpartisan government entity that serves Congress and is run by the Library of Congress. The summary is taken from the official website THOMAS.
4/19/2007--Introduced.
Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 - Amends the Homeland Security Act of 2002 to add provisions concerning the prevention of homegrown terrorism (terrorism by individuals born, raised, or based and operating primarily in the United States).
Directs the Secretary of Homeland Security to: (1) establish a grant program to prevent radicalization (use of an extremist belief system for facilitating ideologically-based violence) and homegrown terrorism in the United States; (2) establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States; and (3) conduct a survey of methodologies implemented by foreign nations to prevent radicalization and homegrown terrorism.
Prohibits the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism from violating the constitutional and civil rights, and civil liberties, of U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.

Here is the sponsor and co-sponsors of the bill:

Sponsor:
Rep. Jane Harman [D-CA]

Cosponsors [as of 2007-10-24]
Rep. Christopher Carney [D-PA]
Del. Donna Christensen [D-VI]
Rep. Yvette Clarke [D-NY]
Rep. Charles Dent [R-PA]
Rep. Norman Dicks [D-WA]
Rep. Al Green [D-TX]
Rep. James Langevin [D-RI]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Nita Lowey [D-NY]
Rep. Daniel Lungren [R-CA]
Rep. Ed Perlmutter [D-CO]
Rep. Ted Poe [R-TX]
Rep. Dave Reichert [R-WA]
Rep. Bennie Thompson [D-MS]

It doesn't sound so bad to prevent homegrown violence (to me anyway). Understanding that it's received nearly unanimous support on both sides of the aisle is not a bad sign.

gus

No Gus, the bill that was already passed was H.R. 1955. The Bill now before congress is H.R. 1959. I don't know why the link didn't work, but I will post the PDF again and it should be read carefully.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/...is.txt.pdf

If this is enacted, anyone's words could be considered "promoting an extremist belief system", all they would need to say is that we are using PLANNED OR THREATENED "force". This does not necessarily mean violence, read all the words carefully. Force could be construed as exposing CORRUPTION and CRIMINALITY against "THE CIVILIAN POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES, OR ANY SEGMENT THEREOF". That would make someone trying to expose 911, for instance, a TERRORIST, which means they can strip citizenship, and implement torture and execution, as we have seen in Guantanamo Bay.

Jesh

"It empowers the United States Government to declare ANYTHING they deem an "extremist belief system", instantly make you a terrorist, resulting in stripping of US citizenship, torture, and/or execution, with no habeas corpus rights, and no ability to challenge even in the US Supreme Court".

Hi Jesh: This is indeed worrisome although there are some things I cannot understand. If you were born in this country and your family has been here for generations, how can they strip you off your citizenship? Where will they deport you? What will happen to you once you’re no longer a citizen of this country? Will they deport you to the land of your ancestors? Do those countries have the responsibility to take you back?

I do not know if this is true, but one day I heard on the news a little bit about the Patriot Act. According to the lawyer that was interviewed, one of the articles of the Patriot Act does away with the right of people to assemble. For example, if for whatever reason you organize a protest, and for whatever reason a person dies during that protest or gathering, the person who organized the protest will be sentenced to death. They do this in order to “Protect” the sanctity of life. I haven’t been able to get a hold of the Patriot Act, but from what I’ve heard it is something very awful.

Hi Terra

What it means to my knowledge is that a person accused of terrorism would no longer have the protection of the Constitution (as long as we have one) and could be locked up forever in a Halliburton camp, or worse, executed.

Personally, I was born in Brooklyn (not far from the SnakeTower) but if they would like to deport me to Palermo Sicily from whence my ancestors came, they would be doing me a huge favor. But no, I don't think the bill is inferring deportation to the country of a person's ancestral origins. Besides, if someone were, let's say half Irish and half German, what would they do, flip a coin?

Jesh

"I don't think the bill is inferring deportation to the country of a person's ancestral origins. Besides, if someone were, let's say half Irish and half German, what would they do, flip a coin?".

No, that would not be fair. Maybe they will split the person in two, and send one half to Germany and the other one to Ireland!!

Interesting that you should bring this up, Soldier. I have had similar thoughts about the false prophet as there is no specific mention of the antichrist in Revelation. My feelings are that this false prophet would spring from the Vatican, but now with the New World [Order] Translation being exposed all over the internet and its close relation with the Jesuit Bible and its diminishing of Yeshua the Christ, that there is a Jesuit infiltration of the Watchtower and this would make the Man of Lawlessness at Bethel one and the same with that of the Papal Antichrist.

The Simon Magus influence shows that the Man of Lawlessness was already at work in the first century and he laid the groundwork for the great apostasy of the Constantine era. This would mean that the corruption of the Christian Congregation would have to go all the way back and include those antichrists. So while I see the Watchtower as being a part of the ultimate apostasy in the form of the NWO/One-World Religion, the entire Christian world would have to be viewed as the field of the wheat and the weeds that Christ spoke about in parable.

I saw that coming and you were reading my mind. I think that solution would suit them quite well.

Agape
Jesh

Well...here we go again. The inmates are running the asylum.

Adios, everyone.


gus

Hi, Jesh,

Are you an "inmate"? :shocked: Are you runnin' the asylum??? :shocked: :shocked:

I think what may have confused some is the fact that this is Senate Bill S 1959.

And, speaking of someone trying to expose the events of 09/11/01 for what they actually were, I am sure that you have heard of Coleen Rowley. She was the career FBI Agent operating out of the Minneapolis, Minnesota office of The Bureau who sent a confidential 13-page memo to Director Robert Mueller, contradicting his public claim that there was no evidence that terrorists were planning the 9/11 attacks. Rowley complained to the Director that the head office in Washington, D.C. had ignored pleas from the Minneapolis branch office to investigate Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged missing twentieth hijacker. She also pointed out to the Director that Washington had also "overlooked" reports from an FBI Agent in Phoenix about Middle-Eastern students seeking to enroll in flying schools there.

Ms. Rowley submitted her memo discreetly, -- through appropriate channels. It only came to be a matter of public record when she was called to testify before the U.S. Congress.

Ms. Coleen Rowley (FBI), Ms. Sherron Watkins (of Enron), and Ms. Cynthia Cooper (of WorldCom) were honored by Time magazine as its "Co-Persons of the Year" for 2002. (The other two helped expose the financial fraud and scandal at their respective companies.) These are three very courageous and competent women who subordinated their own best interests to the greater cause of uncovering truth that was important to be known and properly placed in context. After you dig a little deeper, Jesh, maybe you'll tell us a bit more about this. ;)

iso...

To tell you the truth Brother, I don't dig much about 911 anymore. I don't know nearly as much about Coleen Rowley as I do Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator, and everything that she went through with John Ashcroft, and what she still has to live with every day.

Enron is interesting. Seems that it was right in the middle of 911, the Taliban, and oil pipelines, not to mention the heroin poppy fields and the link to the Vatican, the mafia, Dick Cheney and Halliburton. What it boils down to is that Satan's entire world is "organized crime".

I've tried to follow a more balanced approach with this stuff, and yet it seems that when useful information needs to be shared, I'm running an asylum. Yes I guess anyone who questions the unquestionable is just labeled a "nut". Sure, we all know Satan runs the world, even the JW's know that, but of what benefit is it to them? They will just sip amaretto by the pool from their spiritual paradise and watch Babylon the Great disintegrate, won't they?

Keeping our eyes open to what's developing around us is somehow un-Christian. Well I've heard it all before. In the meantime, while we're arguing over the wording of a Senate Bill it gets one step closer to reality every day. We know that we're all going to face the ultimate test when this image of the wild beast is put before the world, and yet, trying to keep our eyes on the developments going on around us and how we get closer to it every day is somehow un-Christian. Well frankly I'm sick of hearing it. Let's see who belongs in an asylum when those railroad cars with 140 shackles, enough to transport millions, become human cattle cars.

I apologize but I can't be 100 percent "Kingdom" all the time while the free world crumbles around us. If that means that reporting on noteworthy events directly linking the SnakeTower with the New World Order means that I'm doing what Satan wants, then I might as well just go back to the Tower and be deaf dumb and blind.

Jesh

Don't you DARE, Jesh! :shocked:

It is so sad to see how the present group at the "control tower" have blinded the minds of those who are operating from an "armchair Armageddon" perspective. An elder's wife with whom I was having a discussion about end-time prophesy said,

"I'll know when Babylon the Great falls when I see it on television."

Good Grief! Tell me which channel! :funnyface:

Love, Rez:giverose:

I'm not sure which channel. I just know that it won't be on the Trinity Broadcasting Network!!

[/b]look who is listed as an International threat.

go down a ways

http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/mysteries...reats.html

Whatever Fritz Springmeier's checkered past and current situation in the State Pen, the man's Illuminati research is unparalleled, and he seems particularly dedicated to exposing the Watchtower's role in the coming New World Order. I found this article and I would appreciate the opinion on the forum as to the validity and reality of the accusations:

How Was Hitler Connected to Brooklyn, N.Y. ? or One Religious Manipulation for All: Illuminati Manipulation for a One-World Religion

by Fritz Springmeier

The Illuminati love to manipulate mankind through the manipulation of their legends and religions. One faction, which is particularly proud of their work, has been working to develop the Watchtower Society's religion (the Jehovah's Witnesses) as the world religion of the future after W.W.III.

The Jehovah's Witnesses' Illuminati promoters see it as the ultimate synthesis of a carefully crafted religion which appeals to logic, and an international scope, and maintains total control over its members.

In line with these "New World" plans was the Third Reich of Adolf Hitler. While it seemed a given to the Illuminati that eventually the allies would win W.W.II, in case they didn't, and instead the Third Reich won, Hitler was prepared to propagate the Watchtower's religion. Let us examine this amazing situation.

First, let me explain that my book Bloodlines of the Illuminati explains how the Rothschilds (and other Illuminati) played a role behind creation of the Watchtower Society. The book also explains that Hitler was of the Rothschild bloodline.

When the Nazis arrested the German Jehovah's Witnesses, the Jehovah's Witnesses (Zeugen Jehovah) rank and file discovered that key German Watchtower leaders were Gestapo agents. After W.W.II, the Watchtower Society placed these dirty ex-Nazis back into leadership over the German branch of the Society. William Schnell was one of the German Jehovah's Witnesses who had suffered in the concentration camps, and he was outraged that these dirty traitors would be reinstated into leadership. When he protested to world headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., he was given the boot. This is the story behind the story; that is, Schnell then wrote the first powerful literary challenge to the Society -- Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave; And his experience with the Society using Nazis as leaders of the German branch was the story behind his exodus from that organization.

Himmler and Hitler rounded up the Jehovah's Witnesses into concentration camps. The idea was to stigmatize them as anti-Nazis and portray that they were a threat to the Nazis. Such a label would assist the Illuminati Nazis to use them later. When they conquered the Soviet Union, Himmler planned to settle their Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia so that they would convert the Russians into their religion, as a way to pacify and control the Russian people.

Germany failed to conquer the Soviet Union. The German war plans were based on a quick half year Blitzkrieg war of maneuver. Before the invasion year was out, it had degenerated into a static war of attrition, which the Nazi plans had forecast would spell defeat. The Soviet Union eventually won the war of attrition, and the Jehovah's Witnesses were not released from the camps until liberated by the Allies.

In order to be a genuine serious contender for the world's post-W.W.III one-world religion, the Watchtower Society has to meet several criteria. For one, it has to be acceptable to a broad base of humanity. The Society is not tainted by such things as the Inquisition, the Crusades or well-known scandals like Jim Baker's. While lots of effort by the Illuminati has been directed towards these things, including its stand against nationalism, it's debatable whether it has been successful. Behind the false front and misleading Watchtower statistics, the truth is that the Society is not seriously making any inroads in many countries. The Society has manitained a pristine image of not being associated with the neo-colonial powers and this makes it acceptable in many third world countries. In reality, the Society's leaders have secretly worked woth the neo-colonial political powers and has gotten assistance from organizations such as the U.S. State Department. However, the Watchtower's foreign converts around the world are frequently ex-Christians, and the Society is making negligible inroads against the other major world religions.

I'll give two examples to illustrate this point. For example, I know of a couple from Nepal who joined the Jehovah's Witnesses, but they were already Christians when they did. The misperception one might easily jump to is that the Society had converted them from the Buddhist-Hindu mix that Nepalese practice. Such was not the case. Others had done that earlier, they simply stole a Christian denomination's converts.

A second example, which illustrates the illusion that the Society is making great strides in converting the world, are its claims about how many languages the Watchtower and Awake! magazines are translated into. The clims give the impression that on a given Sunday millions of Jehovah's Witnesses in every land are studying the same Watchtower article. I've had Witnesses even brag about this to me. In reality, mainstream important translations like German and Russian lag behind the English publication, and many of the approximately 110 translations occur weeks or months later and are mimeographed or photocopied onto perhaps 5 or 6 copies for some obscure set of converts. The real international impact is not the image.

Will their long range plan for the New World Society miscarry before they happen like Hitler's plans, or will our planet come under the domination of the Society's totalitarian religious tyranny? And if not the Society, then what else will be chosen for us to pacify us?



Jesh