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Indigo Hound Wrote:
Having an open mind doesn't mean you have to be gullible or credulous. I really can't believe people buy into this nonsense after being misled by the WTBTS for years.


Good to see you again, Hound Dog!

http://www.acts17-11.com/conspire.html

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Regurgitated Propaganda, Or Wisdom?

The basic plotlines of Conspiracy Theory have a striking resemblance to anti-Semitic propaganda manufactured in Germany pre-WW2, with only the slight obfuscation of substituting "international bankers" for "Jews." Indeed, many in the Militia and Patriot movements have no illusions about this and have an open anti-Semitic message.

Lyndon LaRouche, and later a few credulous Christian prophecy teachers, brought these ideas into widespread exposure by omitting the original--and more obvious--anti-Semitic ravings and by weaving them together into a compelling whole. Before this, John Birch Society members often promoted them.

Somehow, these tales inflame the fears and paranoia of people to the extent that, even when the Jewish target is "removed," a residue remains in the human imagination that is happy to attach itself to a more vague target. For it must be admitted that some people get a perverse enjoyment from wallowing in such "snits" of paranoia, bogus "insight," fear, discontentment, etc. that propaganda like this evokes. The genius of the modern "Christian" versions of Conspiracy Theory is that now we do not have to be openly anti-Semitic to enjoy these effects.



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4) The Return of the Illuminati

With wild claims of inside information on international clandestine dealings, the conspiracy buffs end up in an ironic hypocrisy. They believe in an ongoing "Illuminati." The Illuminati were (are?) a group that claimed special knowledge, secret knowledge that set them above the common man. Does such a group exist in today's world? Are there those among us who see themselves as possessing secret knowledge not available to the common man? Ironically, the Conspiracy Theorists themselves are the best candidates to be found. They have "figured it out," and if you do not "see it," then you are just one of the dupes manipulated by the ghost Conspiracy that only the "enlightened ones" know about.


gus

gus Wrote:
Good to see you again, Hound Dog!

gus


Thought I'd check in to see what I'd been missing, doesn't look like I've missed much.

Indigo Hound Wrote:

gus Wrote:
Good to see you again, Hound Dog!

gus


Thought I'd check in to see what I'd been missing, doesn't look like I've missed much.


Gus, that's like the 12th time you've posted that anti-free-speech propaganda. It's getting a little worn out.

Indigo, perhaps you can tell us what meets your approval, so we can be better prepared for your next visit/inspection. There are all sorts of wonderful posts on this board and you have nothing to say about them. You are in the controversy room. We already know how you feel about "conspiracy theories". The same garbage was being heaped on people who were trying to warn about Hitler. There are other visitors to this site who might appreciate the enlightenment.

What on earth will you boys do with yourselves once Satan's Kingdom takes over?

Jesh

Jeshurun Wrote:
What on earth will you boys do with yourselves once Satan's Kingdom takes over?

Jesh

Ah! Finally! A conspiracy that is no theory!:thumbup: But then, he's already taken over everything! (1 John 5:19)

sw

smoldering wick Wrote:

Jeshurun Wrote:
What on earth will you boys do with yourselves once Satan's Kingdom takes over?

Jesh

Ah! Finally! A conspiracy that is no theory!:thumbup: But then, he's already taken over everything! (1 John 5:19)

sw


I did see that one coming wickster. As you know, up until now the various governments stand placed in their relative positions by God to serve a very useful purpose of preventing the world from imploding in anarchy. Satan's One World Government/Religion is a Biblical certainty, the culmination of thousands of years of conspiracy by the serpent's seed. I guess when we're facing the lions' den none of these debates will matter much. But it will serve us well to remember the vital truths we have learned from God's Word at places like the Paradise Cafe.

:happyheart:
Jesh

Jeshurun Wrote:

Indigo Hound Wrote:

gus Wrote:
Good to see you again, Hound Dog!

gus


Thought I'd check in to see what I'd been missing, doesn't look like I've missed much.


Gus, that's like the 12th time you've posted that anti-free-speech propaganda. It's getting a little worn out.

Indigo, perhaps you can tell us what meets your approval, so we can be better prepared for your next visit/inspection. There are all sorts of wonderful posts on this board and you have nothing to say about them. You are in the controversy room. We already know how you feel about "conspiracy theories". The same garbage was being heaped on people who were trying to warn about Hitler. There are other visitors to this site who might appreciate the enlightenment.

What on earth will you boys do with yourselves once Satan's Kingdom takes over?

Jesh


What meets my approval is some level of intellectual activity past the tinker toy stage. This stuff isn't 'controversial' it's just silly.

Jeshurun Wrote:
Gus, that's like the 12th time you've posted that anti-free-speech propaganda. It's getting a little worn out.

Indigo, perhaps you can tell us what meets your approval, so we can be better prepared for your next visit/inspection. There are all sorts of wonderful posts on this board and you have nothing to say about them. You are in the controversy room. We already know how you feel about "conspiracy theories". The same garbage was being heaped on people who were trying to warn about Hitler. There are other visitors to this site who might appreciate the enlightenment.

What on earth will you boys do with yourselves once Satan's Kingdom takes over?

Jesh


Hi, Jesh! I guess maybe I'll post it 13 times, if you don't mind. It's all about free speech, ya know? But that's the real issue here, right? My speech is "a little worn out" and somewhat less than welcomed. Have you considered that it might be people like me who are trying to warn others about modern-day "Hitlers"? No...probably not.

Wick is 100% correct. We are living in Satan's kingdom. The whole world lies under his power and influence...conspiracy theorists notwithstanding. There is no "takes over" when it comes to his kingdom. It's here and it's now and his subjects are the only ones who don't seem to realize it. Time to wake up, bro. The greatest conspiracy is the one that dupes people into looking elsewhere.

Now...the http://www.acts17-11.com/conspire.html site brings up many salient, scripturally-based points. Rather than casting aspersions upon me about my attempts at limiting "free speech," why not debate it point-by-point? For instance:

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If The Root Is Unholy...

Conspiracy Theories are as old as politics. Hitler was a master at weaving conspiracy tales. Nero concocted one to shift the blame to Christians for the burning of Rome. Those who rejected the resurrection of Messiah came up with a Conspiracy Theory to explain the empty tomb and His many appearances. And so on.

The modern day mythology of conspiracy was brought into popular view by the self-styled Democratic candidate Lyndon LaRouche and his followers in the late 1970s. (You may remember the guys in the airports, right next to the Moonies.) The LaRouchites would pass out "Executive Intelligence Reports" (EIRs) that purported to inform us plebeians what was "really going on" and why we should thus support Lyndon.

Ironically, the hobbyhorse of an outcast Democrat has now made the shift from airport "kook" fundraising to mainstream commentators and talk show hosts on radio, both conservative and Christian.


Agree or disagree? Why or why not?


gus

gus Wrote:
Wick is 100% correct. We are living in Satan's kingdom. The whole world lies under his power and influence...conspiracy theorists notwithstanding. There is no "takes over" when it comes to his kingdom. It's here and it's now and his subjects are the only ones who don't seem to realize it. Time to wake up, bro. The greatest conspiracy is the one that dupes people into looking elsewhere.

Now...the http://www.acts17-11.com/conspire.html site brings up many salient, scripturally-based points. Rather than casting aspersions upon me about my attempts at limiting "free speech," why not debate it point-by-point? For instance:

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If The Root Is Unholy...

Conspiracy Theories are as old as politics. Hitler was a master at weaving conspiracy tales. Nero concocted one to shift the blame to Christians for the burning of Rome. Those who rejected the resurrection of Messiah came up with a Conspiracy Theory to explain the empty tomb and His many appearances. And so on.

The modern day mythology of conspiracy was brought into popular view by the self-styled Democratic candidate Lyndon LaRouche and his followers in the late 1970s. (You may remember the guys in the airports, right next to the Moonies.) The LaRouchites would pass out "Executive Intelligence Reports" (EIRs) that purported to inform us plebeians what was "really going on" and why we should thus support Lyndon.

Ironically, the hobbyhorse of an outcast Democrat has now made the shift from airport "kook" fundraising to mainstream commentators and talk show hosts on radio, both conservative and Christian.


Agree or disagree? Why or why not?


gus


I know about the disinformation Gus, and the cabal is behind most of it. The point I was trying to make is that it would be nice to have a civilized Christian discussion about these things without being called silly, promoters of nonsense, gullible, etcetera. It's very demeaning and demoralizing. We know the root is unholy. Some of us are trying to get to the bottom if it to sort things out. We have lots of Watchtower wounds and it helps some of us to discover what else besides Satan is behind their insidiousness.

:heartbeat:
Love,
Jesh

Jeshurun Wrote:
I know about the disinformation Gus, and the cabal is behind most of it. The point I was trying to make is that it would be nice to have a civilized Christian discussion about these things without being called silly, promoters of nonsense, gullible, etcetera. It's very demeaning and demoralizing. We know the root is unholy. Some of us are trying to get to the bottom if it to sort things out. We have lots of Watchtower wounds and it helps some of us to discover what else besides Satan is behind their insidiousness.

:heartbeat:
Love,
Jesh


You may have to put up with that, Jesh...just as I've had to put up with being accused of limiting free speech. What I find most demoralizing are the unconscious attempts to have people believe that they have no power - that no matter what they do, there is this powerful and mysterious group that pulls all the strings, frustrating all attempts to do what is right and good, in their insidious quest for the ultimate power. I can tell you that everyone here has access to all the power in the universe, the power to do anything. So - while it may be demoralizing to have a personal theory of "what's all wrong" shot down - think about how empowering the truth - "what's all right" - really is.

gus

I guess I am sort of in the middle of most of the folks here. I don't really think the world is quite as simple as it is portrayed in some of these conspiracy theories regarding the Illuminati and such. However, what I do see happening in America is troubling. And the current climate of our country is probably a breeding ground for fear and paranoia. Somewhat, rightfully so. The media, the politicians, and the people in general are running on fear. Back to Jesh's first post about some of these bill's in the Senate remind me of something. Check out Naomi Wolf's commentary:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
Thanks for the video Andrew/warmthofthesun! :giverose:

Always liked Naomi Wolf since reading "The Beauty Myth", she is the thinking man's babe, for sure. :love: :redface: ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beauty_Myth

Agape Johnny :heartbeat:
If there is a quote of the Illuminati headquarters being in the Watchtower, the person that made it is nuts. There certainly is an underworld operating both Overtly and Covertly, an Elite, which considers themselves Illuminated, but there are many strands that make up the web of authoritarian control/dictatorship for the occult orders of the world.

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"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely" John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron (Lord) Acton

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