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This is the last time I will post.

I would like to thank my genuine brothers in the Lord. I have enjoyed your association and hope to meet you all one day. Keep up the good work. For me its time to leave. I wish you all the best.

My last post will upset some but sometimes you have to go into things that are not nice Sorry but I’m afraid I have to.



Why is the Watchtower so named?

C T Russell was a very devious and clever man. He was able to put up some great smoke screens to hide his true identity. He was a secret Rosicrucian Mason. The foundation of the Watchtower Organisation was Rosicrucian and it is today. To explain why the Watchtower is named so I have to point out The Roscrucurian Masons have there own Tower in the form of a card called the TOWER. This Tower card is used to gain enlightenment hence illuminate. How? Well the spirit world or what they call the cities/WATCHTOWERS is where the spirits dwell and there are four Watchtower. In the cities and within the Watchtowers dwell angels with different jobs. The Tower card is used to enter the GATE. The GATE is the Watchtower. It is said that by calling …….. the angel, depending on who is called will leave the city. Some can give enlightenment hence Illuminate. I must point out this is very dangerous stuff. The Rosicrucion Masons have their own Tarot Cards and use it for gaining illumination.

Did C T Russell disguise the Watchtower as a TAROT CARD? Is it really the Tower Card?
First I would like to point out the original name for the Mag was WATCH TOWER. Two words not one. This name has two meanings. It is the TOWER and it is the GATE (the gate is a watchtower) You must use the Tower card to open the GATE or one of the watchtowers.

Now lets look at Russell’s Watch Tower.
Notice the lightening next to the TOWER. I am not going to explain everything and its meaning, I just want you to look and compare because this is the TOWER CARD. bye



This below is the TOWER TAROT CARD Notice the lightning.

May the Lord bless you on your journey, AC.


With respect to watchtowers (or towers in general); they all have the same general conical shape and design. Maybe I'm biased, but I just don't see anything overtly nefarious in tower construction.

To function as a watchtower, a tower would need to be tall to provide a vantage point from which a "watcher" could see great distances. It would need to be wider at the bottom then the top to provide stability. It would be made of building materials to provide support and suit the purpose for which it was intended for the time for which it was intended. Stone seems to be a building material of choice for strength and longevity. I've seen similar towers from all over the world. The purpose and function seems to be the same...and the design seems to be one that architects of different ages have agreed upon.

gus

Hi Art and everyone. "There is nothing concealed, that will not be revealed", Lk.8:17.
In this day, the WWW, the great dispository of everything known, is revealing important information long forgotten or concealed. e-m

http://journals.aol.com/pierson1k/the-wa...htower/235

Well, the watchtower isn't just a tarot thing. It's also another word for the four cardinal directions in some Pagan beliefs...but I do believe a watchtower is mentioned in the Bible in Isiah...don't ask me to quote it because I'm atrocious at finding particular scriptures. >.< I usually bad at even finding the right Book I'm after!

The point is a watchtower can mean several things, though I remember when these pics were working, and it was a tower with lightning in the background, suspiciously close to most traditional and modern Tarot cards... Though I don't know why this would be fully subliminal, I find most Christians I run into don't know anything about the Tarot except that it is "bad" and "should be avoided". So they really couldn't make the connection, even subconsciously. The main difference though in the pics was that in the Tarot the tower is crumbling from the storm's attack. In the WT pic it was standing strong in the storm.

Personally I too own a deck though, so don't think I'm ragging on you for having one.

Art is not leaving! That was months ago.
to see pics go here
http://journals.aol.com/pierson1k/the-wa...htower/235
the text:
What could be important enough to Masonry to call their lodges Watchtowers? The highest Masons, who get cryptic and mystic, are exposed to Enochian magic, where the use of the magical watchtowers is the key, theheart so to speak, of Enochian magic.




It is interesting to note that several of the Masons who founded new cults were fascinated in the name and person of Enoch, for instance

Joseph Smith Jr.

Joseph Smith (Founder of Mormons LDS) gave himself the name Enoch, called his first community the City of Enoch, and created communal Order of Enoch. Further,Joseph Smith, following the Jewish pseudepigraphic Book of Enoch’s story, purports to narrate Enoch’s experiences in the Book of Moses. (Joseph Smith, as the reader remembers, wrote the Book of Moses.) Joseph Smith in fact believed that Freemasonry went back to Enoch. In Joseph Smith’s day it was popular for Masons to trace Freemasonry back to Enoch. Itis not so much in vogue now.

Freemasons believed that the correct pronunciation of the sacred name of the Tetragrammaton had been revealed to Enoch. In Enochianmagic the Tetragrammaton plays an important part. Each letter represents a different element.

"…Enoch may be considered as representative of that class of mankind which in the future will be in harmony with God and have eternal life—the ones who will be brought to perfection during the Millenial Age."—Charles T. Russell, 1907.

and Charles T. Russell.
Russell was careful not to exceed what he could appear to back with scripture, and he was not about to break his Masonic oath of secrecy and blab about Enoch and Enochian magic. However, Russellcan still be recognized as having put an inordinate amount of emphasis on Enoch. For instance, Russell says what happened to Enoch "seems to be one of the secret things which Moses says belong unto God. Deut.29:29" WT Apr. & May 1884. Russell pointed out on numerous occasions that Enoch was the 7th man from Adam, and that this means he was the perfect man. This view was still coming out in the Watchtower as late as 1941. The WT Society has beenfascinated by Enoch’s transformation, but have been variable in their explanation of it. In 1943, the WT Society tells usthat "Enoch was put into a trance" That ‘God gave him a final vision of the New World…" and that when Heb. 11:5 says God "transferred him" that it meant God granted Enoch a vision of the New World. This was a change from Russell’s belief (based on speculation or something else?) that God likely too Enoch to another planet. Also that year, the WT Society tells us that Enoch was the first man to prophesy of Christ.

This is just a glimpse of Russell and the WT Society’s fascination with Enoch. Now we will discover what Enochian Magic is.


The Magical Watchtowers

Twice a month, a magazine called the Watchtower goes out in 105 languages in about 13 million copiesper issue. (Actually minor foreign language editions lag behind the English editions, so that the 13 million copies are not issued simultaneously.)



Yet no one has explained why Charles T. Russell chose the Watch Tower as the name and central idea of his new religion, many return-to-the-Bible movements, for instance, Campbell’s Church of Christ churches, have eschewed being associated with anysymbology. The idea of the Watch Tower must have been very important to Russell for him to have situated it as the central symbol for his movement.Was he thinking that a tower towered him above others? Or was it because ancient Watch Towers could view approaching armies and thereby warn of approaching battles? Or was it chosen because Masons have been associated with building castles and cathedrals?

Each of these explanations put forth, has some merit. But there is another explanation. One that seems bizarre, in fact so bizarre that this author dismissed it until such time as he was able to confirm C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership.

C.T. Russell’s membership records in the Masonic Knights Templar are kept in Ireland.TheBlue Lodge records belong to the Grand Lodge of PA. Lady Queensborough in her book Occult Theocracy published in 1933 notes on page 737 C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership. His Masonic membership must have also been common knowledge to those associated with him, and those acquainted with the prominence Russell gave to the Knights Templar logo. While there wereno Adventist magazines prior to Russell’s ‘Watchtower’magazine that used the word Watchtower, it appears thatthe Masonic magazine Mizpah could have served as example toRussell. The Masonic Mizpah magazine, and a Masonic article in an early Masonic Review withthe title "Watchman what of the night"do prove a similarity here between that Masonic thinking and Russell’s magazine.

Evidence shows C.T. Russell was not only a high freemason, but prominent in their schemes, in other words he was a key player. Watchtowers are very important to the very highest Freemasons. The highest secret knowledge of many Masonic rites including such rites as the Scottish Rite, the Rite of Memphis, the Rite of Mizraim, etc. is concentrated in a high level group of Illuminati. One group ofthe Illuminati is the O.T.O. The initials O.T.O. can stand for several names, one being Ordo Templi Orientis (The Order of Oriental Templars). Its esoteric name is Order of To Ov. Itsmembers also have been referred to as the Great White Brotherhood or AtlanteanAdepts, and have workedwith the B’nai B’rith. There are four separate groups of OTO lodges, each contains hard core occultists.

The OTO Illuminati teach their select group of initiates Hermetic Science (occult knowledge), magick (called Holy Magick of Light),Mysticism, and Yoga of all forms. TheOTO during C.T. Russell’slifetime established in every important metropolitan area, includingNew York, a secret hidden centre (Collegium ad Spiritum Santum) where memberscould carry outtheir "great work" concealed without interference.

However, each Illuminatus is nothing if heis not able to practice the Magick that gives him a knowledge of the Watchtowers and the ability to enter the four Watchtowers.

Is this bizarre? Why doesn’t C.T. Russell mention any of this in his writings?
This author must without reservation remind the reader that C.T. Russell would never have mentioned anything of his higher esoteric Masonic knowledge to anyone. The penalties for revealing such higher secrets are harsh. This author knows of some cases where men who talked were killed. Obviously, without presenting any proof on that point, the reader is simply advised that the higher echelons in the esoteric group of Illuminism rarely lose their initiates, because they are so soldout/and trapped in their allegiance to the occult world.

C.T. Russell was in the public eye. Everything he published was with the public eye in mind. No one should expect to find any notesor slips about Masonic activities or beliefs in Russell’s writings. As with all occult organizations a veil of secrecy is maintained by requiring initiates to take secrecy oaths on penalty of death. As in Witchcraft, Masonryrepeatedly demands secrecyoaths at every new level. Charles T. Russell began participating in this secrecywhen he took the Entered Apprentice (first Masonic degree) oath on penalty of mayhem and violent death, "I…do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will always hail, ever conceal and never reveal any of the arts, parts or points of the secret arts and mysteries of ancient Freemasonry which I received, am about to receive, or may hereafter be instructed in…"

C.T. Russell followed a policy of backing everything he said with Bible verses. If he could not establish a point by twisting Scripture in some fashion, or using some type of reasoning, thenhe would generally avoid publishing the point. What needs then to be looked for are occultic strains of thought that seeped into his bible explanation, because they had a possible Scriptural explanation. There are a number of statements by Russell that are clues and evidence ofties tothe magic of Watchtowers.

WHAT ARE THE MAGICAL WATCHTOWERS?

Watchtowers are regions of the Magical Universe. Thetope of Magic that uses these regions is called Enochian Magick.

According to occultists, Magic is merely the use of hidden laws to bringabout the will. Every person has a spark of divinity—a inner God, also called an angel or Holy Guardian Angel. The Magician is to get in touch with his Angel—his divinity. This is where his knowledge of the Watchtowers is helpful. Enochian Magick claims for itself two unique elements: an original language and the map of the indivisibleworlds. The Indivisible worlds are known as the Magical Universe. The map of this Magical Universe contains 4 Enochian regions called Watchtowers. These are the Watchtower of Fire, the Watchtower of Air, the Watchtower of Water, and the Watchtower of Earth. These 4 regions are often symbolized in ancient esoteric manuscripts. The following are the 7 planes and their regions on the map.

Occult planes Enochian Regions

Divine…
Spiritual….. Table of Union
Casual……. Watchtower of Fire
Mental……. Watchtower of Air
Astral…….. Watchtower of Water
Etheric…… Watchtower ofEarth
Physical…


Should all the bodies of the planes (except for the physical) be collectively taken together, the Magician calls this the Body of Light. New Age, Masonic,and Rosicrucian Magicians will then speak in terms of leaving their bodies and entering into the Watchtowers (the Body of Light). To be an advanced magician, you must be able to enter the Watchtowers.

It is an established fact the Illuminists all learnthis Magic and practice it.

An example of how esoteric knowledge then became associated with the royal houseof Guise and Lorraine (which is part of the 13th Illuminati bloodline)isthat the first edition of Corpus hermeticum (pub. In 1549) was dedicated to Charlesde Guise, the Cardinal of Lorraine and brother of Marie de Guise, who married James V of Scotland and who bore Mary Queen of Scots.

Under the cover of being zealous Catholics, the house of Guise and Lorraine spread esoteric knowledge. Men like Sir William Sinclair (of the 13th Illuminati bloodline) imported the esoteric knowledge into Scotland. Anotherfigure was the Scotsman, James Beaton, the Scottish ambassador to France, who was also the former Archbishop of Glasgow and who worked with the house of Guise and Lorraine.

Some more information and pics here.

http://middleman777.wordpress.com/2008/0...he-occult/

Warm Christian Love
Bangalore

Yes bangalore, The smoking gun has been revealed!

New Truth and Draka -
You should not play with Tarot cards, young-uns!

Just my sisterly and loving, but un-asked-for advice...

There's a reason you said Christians don't know about them and think they're "bad" and "should be avoided" - it's not because they're ignorant of what they are, but because they do know they're used for future/fortune-telling and linked with witchcraft, occult divination/omens. Same thing as reading tea leaves or interpreting critter leavin's.
I used to follow the horoscopes and was interested in 'all that' when I was younger - until I something opened my eyes to the hocum.(waaay before I was a JW) At that time a 'cool' girlfriend had piqued my interest in it and I was really wanting to get into it more so was studying the 'zodiak' in a bunch of old books from the library. There were these charts showing what 'traits' were common under which 'sign'...... and "hunchback" was in them all - I kid you not! ...it was a really old book... The instant I realized this it suddenly struck me right between the eyes what a total load of crap it was! It does not matter when you were born or which star was where at the moment of your birth - you are who you are because of your uniquely individual experiences in life - and genetics!
All occult paraphenalia used to predict/see into the future or inquire of the dead is 'magik'/sorcery - and I can't think of even one reason it shouldn't be avoided by Christians. I don't believe demons can be 'contained' in inanimate objects as the JW superstition goes - but I do believe they're attracted to our actions and feel particularly drawn, invited even, to occultist activities concerning 'the unknown'.
Our future, as Christians, doesn't depend on the flip of a chance card or a 'star sign' - it depends fully on our Creator's plan for us. We don't need an unhealthy or paranoid fear of it, but we know what it is when we see it and know it's something the bible says we shouldn't 'dabble' in or try to mix in with our worship of God. I now see it as either/or - you can't 'eat from both tables'... we can 'walk on the dark side' or 'stand in the light'. If we're really depending on, having full trust in, our God, then we have to only look to Him and not be looking elsewhere too, in case He forgot something... He didn't!
God says He will reveal what He wants, when He wants, to whom He wants - but Satan always wants us to question the reasonableness and truthfulness of what God has said. And he craftily plays on our real desire to know yet unrevealed details of His will... "surely He knows you're only curious"... "you've waited so long"... "just a peek(taste) couldn't hurt"... "why doesn't He want you to know?"... "but did He really mean the innocent fun of playing with Tarot Cards?"

I really do think God said what He meant and meant what He said.

So dear sisters, imho, to avoid the 'trappings' of things that have even a hint of occultish themes, is to avoid attracting demonic interest. Though you both said you "have them" and might not necessarily 'use' them, the temptation to do so is a trap, so my heartfelt advice is: Turn your back on it. Lose 'em - toss 'em - burn 'em!

I love you guys and only want the best for you, and for us all. I had to speak out of my concern for you - it's something I feel strongly about.

With much love,
Willa

Amen Willa! My experience is similar to yours. I used to "play around" with fortune-telling (family trait) and used just an ordinary deck of playing cards with which I regularly scared my curious neighbors. I also read palms with excellent results, completely ignorant that I was doing things that offended my creator, of whom I was also ignorant, being somewhat agnostic at the time.

I believe you're right about the demons reading our interests and watching for an invitation to dinner at their table. I just thought it might be good to put up that whole section from Deuteronomy 18 because it gets scant notice and also for context.

“When you are entered into the land that Jehovah your God is giving you, you must not learn to do according to the detestable things of those nations. There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God. “For these nations whom you are dispossessing used to listen to those practicing magic and to those who divine; but as for you, Jehovah your God has not given you anything like this. A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me, is what Jehovah your God will raise up for you—to him YOU people should listen." -- Deuteronomy 18:9-15

Here is a scripture that, early on, pointed forward to God's appointed way of communicating with us -- Jesus!

Love, Rez

Hey I said I owned a set, I didn't say I used it for Fourtune Telling I own my set as a Gift from a friend a long time ago. I'm of the personal belief that it's ok to own it, but using it for Divination is another story...the set I own is of the Greek myths, each part of it telling the story progressively with beautiful pictures. Honestly that's why I keep them, because I can look at it and say "ok this is Perseus going to slay Medusa". Honestly I have no wish to use them for their actual purpose.

And I don't care for the zodiac, it's a system that tries to give labels to everything and too many people become reliant on it.

I'm really glad to hear that, Draka - I did note that you didn't say you used them - just the word "Tarot" made me think yikes! Lol!

I made my Mom burn the Ouija board she bought us kids when we were young - we all had a natural and innocent interest in such things back then, before we knew any different.