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Hi E-magine,

I believe that what you say is also very possible. My understanding concerning flesh and spirit, is that flesh , as you say, is not in pure energy form. It is a slowed down energy. It's molecules vibrate at a different frequency than does spirits. Matter vibrates at a slower vibration. Whereas, the spirit vibrates at a much higher faster frequency.

My son says that an electron can be at two places at once. That in it's rotation around the nucleous (forgive my lousy spelling) it sometimes disappears out of sight. (??) Scientists think that it is possible that two dimensions can share the same place at the same time. (!)

So there is so much that we don't know yet concerning physics.

I believe that what ever Jesus is right now, (body wise) is the same that God had intended mankind to become after they eat of the tree of life. (what ever that is)

As we know, Adam and Eve had not yet eaten from it. It seems that God first wanted to test them , before they were given the gift of immortal life. So they hadn't yet reached the high plane that God had originally meant for them to finally and ultimately achieve. :)

These are my thoughts anyway.:giverose:

Warmest,
Anchor~

" HE was perfect, sinless, guiltless, the spitting image of GOD."

I think that it is in Hebrews where a Scripture says: "When Jesus became perfect ....." So Jesus self sacrifice also ransomed himself and it was then that he became perfect and then could perfect the rest.

The Scriptures in Hebrews says that Christ's ransom "perfected all those with faith" (or in so many words.)

Those with faith are considered righteous before God. Yet something was still lacking. It was the ransom that was lacking. As Paul said in Romans, that through one man Adam, all died, but in one man Jesus, all will live.
Jesus self sacrificing act of obedience and faith perfected also the others with faith.

His "exact image of God" is not in the physical sense, but in his divine qualities. Paul said that we are to pattern ourselves in Christ's image because he is the image of God. So you see, this is not talking about imitating physical qualities, but to change our personalities to pattern them after Christ's because his personality is patterned in God's likeness. :)

Blessings,
Anchor~

Hi RR,

Unless the "flesh and blood" merely means that no one can inherit it through a fleshly blood line. The Jews believed that they were the only ones who gain the promises because of their blood line. This is why many of them were so hooked on studying genealogies. But they don't realise that the promises were given to Abraham before he was circumscised and before the Law which came 400 years later. circumscision was only given after the promise of God was given. And it was to be a sign of the faith which Abraham had while he was in the uncircumscised state. "So just because a person is a Jew, does not make him in line to obtain the promises.

So the Jews cannot count on having the promises on the basis of being fleshly Jews with a Jewish bloodline.

Well this is another way to look at it. :)

Warmest,
Anchor~

Yes, no one should teach that Jesus has already secretly manifested himself already to a few because when he manifests himself, the whole world will know and see his manifestation. :friends:

Blessings
Anchor~

Hey TD!

Good point. :thumbsup:

Blessings,
Anchor~

Hi Designs,

Whew! Some of your language goes right over my head. What is "enhypostatic?" ...

"Miaphytism" and "Monophytism"! Haha, why don't they just use the common language which the average man can understand?

So in a nutshell, what is your view so far? Do you think that Jesus now a human or is he a spirit angel? (or both? )

We pretty much already know about the earlier confusion and earlier arguments. I find it ridiculous that some thought of Jesus as both man and God at the same time.

The truth is that God was "in" Jesus doing His works. (Just as Jesus said) God did His miracles through His visible Son Jesus. Jesus spoke God's Word, and God did the works.

Blessings,
Anchor~

Hello Interpretum,

Bravo! You have bought out some very good arguments which should cause some to reconsider.

Abrahams seed (not seeds) is Jesus Christ. And all those who have the faith of Abraham becomes the seed of Abraham. (inherit the same promises as Abraham.) [Romans and Galations]

True that Jesus is the king who will represent both David and God's rulership. He inherits the nations. (Which is here on the earth) The throne of David was in Jerusalem. Spiritual Jerusalem comes from God and will be here forever on the earth. "God will dwell with mankind". In other words, mankind will no longer be estranged from God and from their relationship with Him.

In Isaiah, the Jews are told to "enlarge your borders". They have to make room for their children, the "faithful" Gentiles. I believe that the Jewish borders expand to encompass the whole earth making room for the Gentiles. "The meek shall inherit the earth". The land as far as Abraham could see was to be his inheritance. (And no doubt the land which he also couldn't see.) Paul said that those with faith will be blessed *with the faithful Abraham* who is the father of us all.

So I see that the government is a real physical government which will be right here on the earth and our King Jesus with us also.

Blessings,
Anchor~

Hi Vicky, :hibye:

I believe that he is completely human only difference is that his direct father is God (like Adam) but he is now glorified
No longer subject to corruption, but has been given immortality and the kingdom *of David*. :thumbup:

Concerning Jesus:

"A shoot springs from the stock of Jesse, a scion thrusts from his roots: On him the spirit of Yahweh rests, a spirit of wisdom and insight, a spirit of counsel and power, a spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Yahweh."......"His word is a rod that strikes the ruthless, his sentences bring death to the wicked." [See Isaiah 11:1-5]

Warmest,
Anchor~

Well you know how the Greeks are, they have a word for everything..:D

I think Paul's essay in Hebrews 1 gives as clear a definition of Jesus nature as any portion of the NT. One who is the perfect and exact copy of his Father.

agape

designs

Hi Anchor!!
We are all blessed by your cogent reasoning, as well as that of so many great people here. Even if we disagree on minor things, (things that don't depend on our salvation, {thanks donbono}) we are all brothers and sisters of Christ~ :cheer:

You said, "My son says that an electron can be at two places at once. That in it's rotation around the nucleous (forgive my lousy spelling) it sometimes disappears out of sight."

He speaks of the unlimited potential for an electron in energy form, to be manifested physically anywhere, at any time, even at the same time. It is not bound by Newtonian laws. Our physical bodies are but one potential manifestation of those electrons that we're made of. Resurrected Jesus had control of those electrons so as to manifest them where ever, how ever, and when ever he wanted. Think of it!! And because he is "first born of many brothers" he is still "human" as we will always be.

Hello again designs, :hibye:

You mean this?

"having become as much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they. For which of the angels did He ever say: "Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee? And again, I will be a Father to him and he shall be a Son to me? [Heb 1:4-5] compare with Psalms 1:7-9

And........

"But to which of the angels has He ever said, "Sit at my right hand until I make thine enemies a footstool for thy feet?"....." [See Heb. 1:13-14 .. Psalms 110:1-7]

And .......

"For He did not subject to angels the world to come, concerning which we are speaking, but one has testified somewhere, saying: "What is man that Thou rememberest him? Or the son of man that Thou art concerned about him? Thou hast made him for a little while, lower than the angels; Thou hast crowned him with glory and honor, and hast appointed him over the works of your hands; Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet."..."But now we do not see all things subjected to him." Heb 2:5-8 Compare with Psalms 8:4-6 and 144:3 ....

:D:D:D

Blessings,
Anchor~

Hi Gogh,

Then who was it that directed apostle Paul's ministry at Acts 9:5-7,15-17
....Acts 22:17-21 Unless it was an angel sent by Jesus to direct Pauls ministry. Food for thought. :)

Don't forget though, that "heaven" may not be as far away as one may think. We are traveling very fast on the "space ship earth" through God's "heavens" and Scientists do not know where our galaxy is headed but it is, indeed, traveling through God's "heaven". ;)

Blessings,
Sheila Rae~