I don't know how people would react with my comments. I would be judged if I am being sumbling block or only telling the whole truth. It is up to Jesus.
I am only expressing how I have been treated. I have my own forum(I don't have many members since it is only 5 months old which I am on a process of closing) and two of them contantly abuse the fact that I don't speak perfect English. But I don't ban them even though my children want to. It has been this way everywhere I go. It is just the fact of life in USA even in the churches. I just ignore it.
I expect to reap the consequences of my actions if I choose not to follow the stated rules. It's the way things are in the universe. It's the way things are in the communities in which we live, our homes...and it's the way things are here. It's the nature of dynamic groups of people.
Rules are a blessing for the majority and a curse for some. Thank God we live in a society where we get to choose who's rules we want to live under. Freedom is one of those things we get to enjoy with the caviat of not infringing upon the freedom of others. Walking the tightrope and enjoying it is a more a matter of maturity: undertstanding that not all of the people are going to be pleased all of the time and learning to get over it. Life is just full of lessons waiting to be learned.
gus
Dear Joyful,
First ... Yannis is not banned nor has he done anything to merit such.
Second ... you were not threatened by the PC Site Admin Team ... you were told about not posting private emails and pms as they are private. You then said you would do what you wanted whether or not it meant you being banned.
The PC Site Admin Team never threatened you. You now are causing trouble by saying that and are now guilty of lying in order to make yourself look good.
This is not Christian behavior and perhaps explains why other boards felt you cause trouble.
Since you have your own board perhaps you would be better off discussing your topics the way you wish there instead of causing suspicion by twisting everything that people try to say to you.
The issue does not seem to be your use of the English language rather you need to perhaps work on your personal style.
Warmly,
PC Site Admin Team
Hello there joyful ...:hibye:
Well well ... :scratchhead: where to start ...:dontknow:
First off let me apologize for the LENGTH right away ... as I fear in trying to express my feelings it tends to go that way ...:giverose: as well as if I may sound 'harsh' ... you cannot hear my pain and sadness but it is there for you my sister ...
You have asked the members in our cafe to speak with you frankly in a 'don't beat around the bush' kind of way ... you have also stated that you do not have a problem with understanding 'language' ... plus you have self-described yourself as a 'trouble maker' (something which no one here has ever said to you as far as I am aware) ... that you want things to be 'out in the open' (no secrets) ... so it is with these ideas in mind that I would like to say something to you ...
Prov. 27:5 will hopefully be something that you can understand ...
5 Better is a revealed reproof than a concealed love.
I am feeling right now that if I don't say something to you then I am 'concealing' my 'sisterly love' for you and so I must ... :heartbeat:
Many have tried over and over again to 'reason' with you and even 'counsel' or 'reprove' you for the manner in which you are dealing with us here ... whether you realize it or not my sister ... you come across abrasive, challenging, and seem to 'deliberately' (since you said you do not have a problem understanding English) misunderstanding what people are saying (me included) ... choosing only parts of statements you wish to address while ignoring other parts ...
For example, you would like US to answer YOUR questions don't you ...? Yet whenever I have asked you something for clarification ... to HEAL whatever it is that is bothering you ... you have tended to ignore such questions and only misunderstand or bring up your own once again ... is that FAIR or REASONABLE sounding to you my sister ...? Is that the WAY OF LOVE ...? Is that how CHRIST JESUS wants us to deal with one another ...?
No one here is trying to hurt you or discredit you or slander you or anything else that is negative ... can you not see the LOVE that has been poured out upon you ... fellow brothers and sisters seeking to find COMMON GROUND ... seeking to UNDERSTAND ... seeking to be PATIENT and EMPATHETIC with you ...? Do you not understand this is what we are trying to do ... that we do not like to see anyone leave nor do we like to have to ask anyone to leave ...
But you SEEM (and I say 'seem') to be PUSHING to have others come to fistacuffs with you my sister ... for your words come across a lot of the time as kind of fighting words ... like you are EXPECTING to be 'hit' or 'hurt' ...:(:dontknow:
I have to ask myself ... WHY ...:huh::thinking: and sadly since this forum is so limited and we do not know one anther personally ... it appears to ME that the only answer is either you are used to being talked to in this manner and know no other way ... (but the way of Christ is FAR different my sister) or it is that you do have a problem understanding the language ... or ... and this is the most unpleasant one ... you 'like' to cause caffuffels (there ARE people like that so please don't take it as an attack on YOU ... just your BEHAVIOR ... which can always be CHANGED when we put to practice the teachings of the Bible ... which we are ALL seeking to do ...to come to FULL GROWN men and women ... spiritually speaking of course ...;)
You have also made a statement that I would like to address as it is TOTALLY UNTRUE!!
You said ...
I was given many threats (IMHO) by admin. I did not think it was christian manner or following Jesus' golden rule.
As I am part of the admin team I KNOW that you have NEVER been 'threatened' in ANY manner ... spoken to as you have ASKED to be spoken to ... but NOT abusive or threatening ... the only 'positive' thing I can say about this statement is that you added ... (IMHO) ... and that is all it is ... your opinion ... and I have to say it is a 'wrong' one ...
Also, to set your mind and heart at ease ...
Yannis is NOT banned ... nor do I understand why you would jump to that conclusion ...
As, well, the reason your pm's are not working is that you had said you had 'resigned' ... remember ... and so that is the ONLY reason they were disabled ... we didn't ban you nor anything ... nor do we WANT to as I said above ... is that what YOU want though ... to keep pushing and pushing so that this MIGHT happen ... as we have been accused of controlling or kicking people out just because we don't like what they say? (which is also untrue I would like to add ...:( )
Anyway, I WOULD have pm'd this to you ... but since you want things to be 'open' ... so there is no speculation or misunderstanding or anything ... I did it this way ... and PLEASE know that writing this kind of thing is and will always be VERY HARD for me to do ... but also know that it was done with the BEST intentions ... that of striking a chord in your heart and WINNING you my sister ...:friends:
May our God grant you peace and joy ... your sister in the faith sending you much warm Christian love ... BR :sheepy: :bouncyhearts:
Dear Joyful,
First ... Yannis is not banned nor has he done anything to merit such.
Second ... you were not threatened by the PC Site Admin Team ... you were told about not posting private emails and pms as they are private. You then said you would do what you wanted whether or not it meant you being banned.
The PC Site Admin Team never threatened you. You now are causing trouble by saying that and are now guilty of lying in order to make yourself look good.
This is not Christian behavior and perhaps explains why other boards felt you cause trouble.
Since you have your own board perhaps you would be better off discussing your topics the way you wish there instead of causing suspicion by twisting everything that people try to say to you.
The issue does not seem to be your use of the English language rather you need to perhaps work on your personal style.
Warmly,
PC Site Admin Team
Is this another warning? I think I am doing fine as Jesus' follower and Christian in my personal style; why not let Jesus judge this? I am only expressing my faith. I am very aware that I don't fit in conventional style. I am only doing my best as Jesus' servant. Christianity is not popularity meaing I don't have to worry about acceptance of men. that's why I love Jesus.:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
In Jesus' name, hitomi
May our God grant you peace and joy ...
don't worry about my peace and joy, BR.
I am with Jesus and as long as He is with me I can go though with anything. He has been showing me this since I became Christion 8 years ago.
Thank you Jesus:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
Hitomi
You have also made a statement that I would like to address as it is TOTALLY UNTRUE!!
Do you know what I am saying? I have been repeatedly telling you this would happen and you guys have been proving it. that's the reason why I asked admin team to reveal my dealings with them. Why are you guys so adamant keeping secret about your dealings with your members. I can understand if poster is asking to keep them in private.:confused::shocked:
hitomi
Hi everyone! I have no clue why this is still going on? :dontknow:
manyfaces
I probably shouldn't reprint this now because I know it will be misinterpreted or misapplied by some...or some will just plain miss the spirit of it, but here we go:
Submission to Rulers and Masters
13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
18Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. 19For it is commendable if a man bears up under the pain of unjust suffering because he is conscious of God. 20But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. 21To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
22"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."[e] 23When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 25For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. (1Pet 2, NIV, italics mine)
gus
Hey Gus,
IT is very pertinent but as you are aware until we see things, we just don't see them.
I used to think that being persecuted by the "MAN" or any "authoritative figure" sorry I just love the "MAN" thing :D
Meant that I must be doing something right. Now I realize that YES in some cases it meant I was following Jesus and in others I was just being stupid and deserved what I got.
So maturity in many ways needs to happen before we can see the real import of what you posted above.
I am not qute thar yet but closer then before.
TD
Dear Joyful;
I could not help but respond to this thread. This is truly heartbreaking beyond belief. Provisions and Rules are set and done for a reason. In the Kingdom Hall Congregation there are steps that are to be taken when there is a misunderstanding or disagreement or even when someone slanders another. The steps are (and this is Scriptural): When someone has wronged you or you think they have, you go to that person alone and discuss and resolve then if that does not resolve the problem then you go back with another brother or sister who knows personally of the problem or situation and you try to resolve it that way then if that does not help then you go to the Elders of the congregation and then you let them handle it. What I am trying to say is, is that if there was or is a problem or issue with one of the members here it should have been handled in private. If there was an issue that really bothered you and concerned you regarding the board, it would only have been proper and Christ Like to handle it privately with the Administration. No one is saying that you do not have freedom of speech but as Brothers and Sisters we "must" use tact when speaking with one another whether it is here on the forum or in person. I hope and pray that you do not take what I have just said as criticism or an attack on you because it is not. You say you worship, love and follow Jesus but Jesus never ever displayed abusive speech nor behavior such as what has been displayed here. Jesus was humble and loving and he listened to anyone who talked to him. Jesus Christ listened and humbly obeyed his Father, Jehovah God. If were are to be Christlike then we "must" follow Jesus' example any not just by saying but by doing. But please do not forget that Jehovah knows all, sees all, and hears all and no one, I mean no on will escape his judgement. Don't let Satan win. Tell Satan to get behind you, turn your back away from him and turn back to Jehovah. You will never have any peace until you do. Jehovah loves you, he loves us all..........Satan do not care about anyone, not even the one's he has turned away from Jehovah, not even the one's who left Jehovah to serve him. Satan is a liar, has always been a liar and will continue to be a liar but his day is coming fast and when that day comes all that is going on here with this unpleasant situation will never happen again. I hope you find peace one day sister because until then you will continue to be unhappy.
Hi everyone! I have no clue why this is still going on? :dontknow:
manyfaces
umm--yes indeed Manyfaces--me too--I had a serious chuckle about that poor horse and how he appears to have been beaten to death--:D I know I have used up all the words I have on this subject but then it is Only day three :clap: :grouphug:
Don't sell yourself short, TD. You have insight and you are discerning even to say what you said.
18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Romans 12, NIV, italics mine)
A loaded scripture. Not too difficult to understand; but almost impossible to apply...just as is every scripture that calls specifically for self-responsibility. I have difficulty with it. Some, I'm sure, don't see it at all. It has to do with the spirit itself and not "toughing it out" or suppressing a desire to react. If outer conflict produces inner conflict, and you see it for what it really is, there is nothing better. The secret, which I have yet to do anything with except intellectualize, is to learn its lesson.
gus