Transsexuals: What's Going On Here?
I everybody: Just the other day I was watching Larry King on CNN interviewing a couple of people with some really weird stories. He interviewed a woman who had become a man, and a woman who was on her way to become a man.
I was very impressed by the man who became a woman because she, -he- was very, very beautiful. It seemed as if he had been a woman all of his life. She- he- was very sweet, beautiful and feminine. It reminded me of other interviews that I have seen where people, - transsexuals- say they are trapped in the wrong body.
Obviously, this got me thinking if there is a difference between homosexuality and transsexuality. Were these people born with the wrong body? Is it really their fault? How does Jehovah see them? How are we supposed to see them? Are these “Men†men and these “Women†women?
The woman who wanted to become a man had already changed her voice, grown a beard, and was about to have a penis implanted.
On the other hand, the man who had become a woman had already fathered two children that were with him on the interview. He, -she- said that she doesn’t date men but only goes out with women. She says she considers herself a lesbian even though she was born a man. But how can she be a lesbian if she was born as a man?
I find all of this ver confusing. Would you please help me understand what is going on here?
:clap: Hey Terra Nova!! :clap:
:thumbsup: Hows it going mate? Thanks starting this thread. I have a bit of insight into the matter, as I went through something similar myself. Ill be posting something shortly! See ya soon mate! :thumbsup:
May LOVE be with you!
your bro -- beau! :friends::friends::friends:
All humans start off as females. At about 6 weeks the foetus starts to differentiate.
There are at least 6 areas in the brain where gender and attraction are determined.
Sometimes things do not always work out or line up as desired.
All humans start off as females. At about 6 weeks the foetus starts to differentiate.
There are at least 6 areas in the brain where gender and attraction are determined.
Sometimes things do not always work out or line up as desired.
Hi Vicky: I didn’t know that. Does it mean that somehow we are like crocodiles? From what I’ve read, the sex in crocodiles is determined by the temperature they’re exposed to. Too much heat and they’re born as males, too little heat and they’re born as females.
I’ve always had a hard time understanding homosexuality. There is no doubt in my mind that some of them are sick perverts; however, I’ve also seen little innocent children that clearly show homosexual tendencies. How can that be? Is it really their fault?
Furthermore, how should we see transsexuals? Should we see them as homosexuals? Are homosexuals and transsexuals the same thing?
:clap: Hey Terra Nova!! :clap:
:hug: Hey brother! I havent had the time to collect my thoughts properly but I would like to share these things with you! :hug:
Furthermore, how should we see transsexuals? Should we see them as homosexuals? Are homosexuals and transsexuals the same thing?
When I lived in Sydney, I worked in a coffee shop, in the city, that was co-owed by my mothers friend. It was called dragnet cafe, situated right under the first "tranny" niteclub in Australia. called the Taxi Club. I worked there on friday, saturday and sunday nights, from 5pm-1am. I had a day job during the week, and worked there on the weekends. Needless to say, it was quite colorful. I made some interesting friends, and I got to see another part of this crappy system in action. I must admit, before this time, I was extremely uneasy about being around men who dressed as woman. And yet, I could have been considered gay, because of what I was doing myself. I was uneasy mainly because I didnt know how to handle myself, and hey, this was Sydney, if you cant handle yourself in Sydney, you need to go somewhere else, like Melbourne! Hehehe!!
What did I see? I saw people in need of the Ransom. I saw how strong conditioning can get, and how the seemingly random anomaly of experience can alter ones perception and perspective, especially, if one is susceptible to such occurance, as with the examples that Vicky mentioned above.
For a lot of us, we are fortunate enough to not be so far down Babylons plughole. But for some people, and in this, I include transgenders, they are so far down the plughole, that there is almost no hope except the ressurection.
How should we see them? Im not sure that is the right question Terra. I think a better one is, how should you see yourself?
Should we see them as homosexuals? Up to you brother. I just see them as a human being, in need of the Ransom -- just like me.
Are homosexuals and transsexuals the same thing? There are many people who will tell you they are, but to me, they are completely different. Sure, the lens of ignorance easily paints a wide brush against these individuals -- but people are not their conditioning. We, as screwed up as we are (thats all people), are like seeds of infinite potential that can only truly grow within the template of Jesus Christ. If people seemed lost now -- its ok. One day, the Earth will be covered in foliage, emanating from billions of seeds, flourishing in their true potential, under the reign of our Father, Jehovah God!!
May LOVE be with you!
your bro -- beau! :friends::friends::friends:
Hi beau...........you say some profound things in trying to help Terra Nova understand a little more regarding this subject.
As a gay man I struggle to live a celibate Christian lifestyle, & I am very sure that transgender/transexual people are not homosexual, it is something very different.
I once worked with a heterosexual man that went through the complete process of transgender surgery & never ever was he homosexual.
As a gay man, I find masculinity beautiful so was quite disturbed that a male should want to turn into a 'female' with all the 'horrible' bits!
Love floriferous :hug:
Hi Beau: Thank you so much for your answer. It reminded me of a similar experience that I had many years ago when I met a man at work. We used to work night shift and we did nothing most of time, so we had a lot of free time to talk about many things. He was 42 years and he told me he was still a virgin.
His story was very touching. He told me that ever since he was a little child he felt attracted to boys and had never felt any attraction for women. However, he was raised in a very religious family that had instilled in him the fear of God.
He told me how miserable his life was, and he told me that he was homosexual by birth not by choice. Before I got to know him well, I used to tell some very mean and nasty jokes about them. It wasn’t until I saw him crying when I changed my stupid attitude. He asked me, what person in his right mind would choose to live the miserable life that we live?
You are so right, they are some of the most hopeless people that we can think of. We live in a mean and vicious world and we all paint them with the same brush.
Thank God that the world is not going to be judged by us, but by the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Thank God that the world is not going to be judged by us, but by the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Boy howdy, TN!
I think that's what makes us all old, bro...all that judgin'.
There's only so many seconds in a minute.
gus
I would like butt in.
I am separated from my husband and I miss male companion to lean on emotionally. But I am finding other sources to make my life much easier to live. (Jesus told one woman she has five husbands because she changed her mate five times.)
Jesus tells us not to sin. We should not judge but we should encourage each other to follow Jesus' teachings. Encouraging is not judging. There are things we have to learn to follow; it is Jesus' teachings if we are His followers. If we follow our natural feelings to live without any restriction what kind of human are we going to be? Isn't that what satan wants us to do; living freely without any moral standard God and Jesus gave us?
To me, this whole thing about "judging" is a bit too much and being misused and abused for our own convinience.
hitomi
Hitomi,
as requested I will answer on this thread not the other one. This is the better place for a topic like this.
Firstly I think you have misunderstood what was being said.
We were saying that some people are born with great burdens to bear. No one said well if they are born like that they should just live as they desire, but we were saying that we should be compassionate because we don't know how great the struggle of some people are. We were saying that is why we are pleased to have a compassionate judge and leave certain things in his hands. He knows the struggle more than us.
He listens to the prayers of sinners who are humble more than those who are 'righteous' and proud, hence the parable of the taxman and the pharisee praying.
No one has said 'anything goes'.
I don't know what is going on in others private lives, no one does but we should encourage one another to not to sucomb into sin. Isn't that what fellowshipping is for? Jesus is telling us to carry each other's burden, not to make it as if everything is ok. that's how it sounds like when I read many of the posts here.
Hi Hitomi--No one is encouraging anyone to ''succumb to sin'' nor is anyone encouraging anyone in a life style that is not Christian. Some very honest folks have shared some of their deepest thoughts and feelings here tho and it takes great courage and strength to do so. I admire those who have done this and that too is a part of bearing the burden of another. I can only imagine how encouraging some of these things said by Beau have been to those around him. There are so many things we just don't have an answer for as to why things are the way they are--but we can always be there to offer a kind word to another and be compassionate--especially when it is your brother telling you his story and doing the best that he can..We are all broken Hitomi--some this way and some in other ways--that is where the not judging comes in--and we all encourage each other to look to God and Christ for our answers--
I am just expressing what it sounds like. I am sorry, this is my honest opinion too. Everyone has some kind of difficulty we have to overcome. We should not forget that. Lets not always make it sound like they are judgemental just because they dont sound the way you want.
I don't think anyone is doing that Hitomi--I am thinking everyone is afraid you are misunderstanding what is being said and is trying to help you see the difference between encouraging an immoral lifestyle and supporting a brother who is sharing his deepest most heart wrenching circumstances--there is a Huge difference---
I don't think I misunderstand what's been said. Please don't take advantage of my bad english. Like I said, "judging" is being misused and abused IMHO. I have been to many forums and have heard the same kind of comments a gazillion times.