“I think thats the balanced way to make the judgement -
I find the sexual act of homosexuality gross- even when i wasnt a JW - it is an area where all the waste comes out of our bodies - just because someone has a tendancy to commit this act doesnt make it acceptable - some people have a natural tendency to commit sex with children - they make the same reasons - it feels natural to them
on the other hand - I have met many homosexual people that I found very caring and considerate of other people - sometimes more so than straight people - I suppose people with this tendancy have to deaden their body members the same as those who have the tendency to commit fornication, look at porn, commit adultry, murder, stealing etc.â€
To be honest Billy some gay men do not engage in anal sex as they don’t like it either. However anal sex is not confined to gay people. Straight people do engage in it. I don’t want to go into detail on this subject for obvious reasons but certain other fairly common sexual practices that straight people engage in also involve areas of the body that are next to the waste centres of the body.
Child sexual abuse of course is obviously a sin and it is easy to see why because of the affect it has on children. It destroys them as people.
With gay people it is different because in a committed relationship setting it is hard to see what damage is caused between two consenting adults as it were. As a point of perspective gay people find the idea of straight sex in any form just as disgusting as straight people find gay sex.
Personally I would like to know why the sin of homosexuality is a sin in a way that could be used to convince and explain it in the same way as one can explain why stealing is wrong to a committed gay couple one might meet on the doors preaching.
Yes I will start a thread on that subject billy. I think it would be fascinating.
speaking from my own personal observations of the gay society and meeting a number of gay people - this is what i have observed from my own experiences -
the gay men constantly make sexual inuendos about everything - very vugar comments on women - very pre occupied with sex - a number of gay people in my community have died from aids - not a natural healthy way to bring up children - i know of a few kids in the area who have gay parents - they are confused (not that straight parents kids are mixed up either) - i dont understand why the gay parteners take on roles as a man and woman - ie the lesbian couples i see in my area - one woman takes on the role as the man - dressing like a man, acting like a man - why doesnt the other partner just be with a man?
I just wanted to add a comment on transsexuals
the last congregation i was attending there was man/woman attending - i got to know her/him - she came as a woman but as time went on she started wearing pants to the hall (she had been studying for awhile and i think pressured into wearing pants)- but still dressed like a woman - she loved Jehovah and was making lots of changes in her life - I dont go to the hall at this time so not sure where shes at - it's very heart warming to see people who have this problem can get their life in order (just like most of us especially myself)
I think for some people to make the changes and conform to the healthy bounderies of Jehovah it take all our strength and focus - i know i had to work vey hard at changing my immoral lifestyle
it sure sounds like serious punishment to me--can you imagine being married to a rapist? and your own rapist at that -- I can't. It doesn't even sound human to think anyone should have to endure that.There seems to be no end to the ways people have hurt each other over the centuries...:crybaby:
Hi Wolfie: I agree with you. At least women should’ve been given a choice: Do you want to live the rest of your life with the man that raped you, or do you want to take a chance and see if you’ll able to get a husband later on?
On top of that, what happened with God’s own rules regarding the application of justice, and the love for you neighbor?
Why did a few coins got the rapist off the hook so easily? What happened to the eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth law?
I think it would’ve been more just and effective if the same thing had been done to the rapist; he should’ve been raped in public by whatever means they deemed appropriate and then stoned to death. This could easily have taught people a lesson: there are things that you just don’t do no matter what.
Indeed, I find some laws in the Old Testament less than just and perfect. Why is it that they are not what we would like to expect from a perfect, loving God?. The Ten Commandments are the pure essence of love and justice, while some of the others laws leave you scratching you head, wondering if they were given by the same God that gave us the supreme Law of Love and Justice.
Child sexual abuse of course is obviously a sin and it is easy to see why because of the affect it has on children. It destroys them as people.
With gay people it is different because in a committed relationship setting it is hard to see what damage is caused between two consenting adults as it were. As a point of perspective gay people find the idea of straight sex in any form just as disgusting as straight people find gay sex.
Personally I would like to know why the sin of homosexuality is a sin in a way that could be used to convince and explain it in the same way as one can explain why stealing is wrong to a committed gay couple one might meet on the doors preaching.
Hi Seraphim
The bible makes it clear WHY homosexuality is a sin, but it seems you have chosen to ignore the reasons. The point you make about consenting adults are more applicable and harder to understand for heterosexual couples. For example, I used to have sex with girlfriends before I became a Christian (and fathered one child), and now I am married with more children.
Now, how do I explain to similar unmarried couples in the ministry that having sex and children without benefit of marriage is wrong, but right with a marriage certificate? The difference to them is a piece of paper.
The bible asks us to love God with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength. We do that with faith, no matter how hard it is, or we don't fully under the reasons Jehovah asks us to do something, or reframe from doing something. That is real love for God. In the New System, we will fully understand God, and He will completely more than satisfy your every need. John 5:3
For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome,
Londoner
The bible makes it clear WHY homosexuality is a sin
Hi Londoner,
I think it would be beneficial for you to post some of the pertinent scriptures, because I don't think everyone knows this. I would suggest you do it over on the homosexuality thread.
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=2091
We'll keep this one on transsexuality.
The bible makes it clear WHY homosexuality is a sin
Hi Londoner,
I think it would be beneficial for you to post some of the pertinent scriptures, because I don't think everyone knows this. I would suggest you do it over on the homosexuality thread.
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/s...p?tid=2091
We'll keep this one on transsexuality.
Hi donbodo
The scriptures I had in mind which explain why homosexuality is wrong in Jehovah's eyes are already on your thread. They are: Lev 18:22, and 20:13. Rom 1:26-27 and Jude 1:7.
Maybe Seraphim if he wishes, can continue the discussion on donbodo's thread if what I said earlier, doesn't explain why sex between two consenting gays is wrong in Jehovah's eyes.
Londoner