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I need some advice, i have always felt that Jehovah's word is the final authority since i was a child and had a understanding im realizing which is different than everyone around me often thought about whether im anointed or whatever (tho now im reconsidering my thoughts on that and researching it a bit but i know i do have a measure of Holy spirit guiding me which many Witnesses dont fully appreciate) anyway ive come to realize the truth on many matter contrary to wt and as you have read my goals is the encouragement and strengthening of sincere ones.

I am engaged and at the time when i met her, i knew it was a gift from Jehovah she loves Jehovah and all such things.. In the beginning she was drawn to my insight on matters and i helped impart some of that insight to her on various issues.

As of late, I see she all her life has felt it wrong to question even in her mind anything the society tells her she even started crying about it one time and i readjusted her (this even before i did the research and confirmed what i always knew) and she felt better.

But she is as of now loyal moreso to man and cant seperate that from loyalty to Jehovah and the type who will if i come out with something ,well she would listen if i got her to listen i dont even necisarily think she needs to know all these things as she is a "domestic" as of now..

Like today i made a hypothetical situation of how me may live and shes like this is all a joke mind you how will we preach then, and im like ill write letters and such and witness when we go to the marketplace and such, and shes all yes but the house to house is the main way we do the witnessing and im like getting more serious like thats not the only way and bringing out how theyve been emphasizing different ways ect. and shes like thats only for people who cant the main way is house to house im like half the people dont listen yes thats nice and good but in some areas you can go house to house due to danger and other things ect. and then i humbly find a medium and back off of the hypothetical situation.

Shes sort of too dependant on humans for her stability somewhat also i never was this type (well was but then i was forced to learn not to through my early childhood) but i love her and want to be with her still and i know one day a situation may possibly arise where i will have to take a stand for Jehovah or merely justice and be cut off for it, ive always had that feeling since around the age of 9 or 10 (wierd huh heh) i always knew that men are just that men and they do not set the standards of Jehovah and all men will if too much power and credit given them yield to human imperfection.

I need to free her mind from the grip of needed a human as a mediator and help her too see the one who is invisible were getting married in 9 months or so and she is great to me and good to me but i need to help her to know she can walk with God despite whatever happens.

I dont necisarily want her to see all i know until she has the stability and strength but i may have to after we marry in order to develop that very thing...

I dont know if we should go through all the things like 1914 ect as a faith strengthening so to speak excersize to prove them to ourselves (or disprove find the truth in whatever it may be (i already know and always knew) ) and maybe play the other side or critic and see what she says or just what ways can i help her to know that no man has right to set themselves up as mediator and that as ive told her many times there are no shortcuts in serving Jehovah noone else can do all the work for you you have to take that step and do it and keep seeing as to whether your in the faith and test it out dont be afraid of what may result.

One time i showed something from the new testament to her and shes like isnt this not for us tho and im like Ugh.. and that scripture which says you dont need anyone to teach you the Holy spirit will is in of itself a contradiction as in that latest question from readers which emphasized the anointed have no "special insight" or more holy spirit than the "great crowd"...that article is what mainly sparked my researching and confirming what i already knew instinctively.

Any advice and i do not intend to leave unless its decided for me and for something i did that is right and for Jehovah, because there are plenty others which need to realize this and need encouragement and strengthening and i dont live to serve myself.

So all tips welcome this is really something i can forsee as a future difficulty, shes great but so dependant and the fact she never ever questioned even in her mind anything, makes me a little uneasy.. ive known people like that who have difficulties and end up leading lives clearly away form Jehovah lives of lawlessness and ways of the flesh because there faith was based on man, i know that she loves Jehovah tho.. just have to show she can go to him , through Christ

You have tough situation soldier.

Does she love you and appreciate you as much as you do? If so I think you can reason with her.

Since you are asking advice I would like to give some. I think you should not get married until you guys settle this matter. The Bible says: don't expect to change her after you get married. You can tell her that WTS is controlled by only a few leaders whom they are calling annointed ones. Our Master is Jesus and not any man. This itself should be more than good enough to convince her... eventually.

May YHWH helps you in this difficult situation.

hitomi

She does alot we been through some tough times and she kind of views me a bit too high ,like knowledge and discernment wise ect. as if im a guide for her when it comes to serious matters.

and appreciate me as much as i do O.o hey i try to be humble ma brotha heh jk i kno watcha meen (hope heh heh)

Then it should not be so difficult to reason with her. Just be confident on convincing her. She will respect your godly decisiveness. You are the leader and she is so blessed to have such devoted future husband.

hitomi:happyheart:

It is tough, Soldier. I don't think even one of my relatives married within their faith...and they all made it work. None were JWs...and none had an authoritarian third party stationed in their bedroom.

The only thing I'd like to remind you of is that the family is God's arrangement. Religion is not. A man's responsibility within God's arrangement can be compared to Jesus and the congregation: the greatest is the least...the minister who takes his responsibilities seriously. If you should take on the responsibility of a JW sister, you will be taking more than her to bed, you will sit with more than her at the dinner table, you will confide in more than her when you speak things close to your heart.

The intimate inclusion of the watchtower in the relationship makes success even more difficult to attain. All things, however, are possible with God.


gus

franz n them did it.

My brother;

I have tried reasoning with many Witness friends to no avail. They have to determine that something is wrong through their own experiences... which will eventually come. However, being a Witness isn't a bad thing, it is a search for God which leads to a better form of life.

On the other hand; more marriages are destroyed by Witnesses who think their mate is an "apostate." Sounds like a rocky start.

Eh well its not that bad im actually a ..MS...(my purpose is to help strengthen peoples relationship with Jehovah and encourage deeper thought... yea shhh dont tell nobody i have forbidden knowledge in my head) and i had a talk with her last night and it seems pretty good explained some stuff and she understood so itll all work out

Hi SOJ,

I don´t really want to draw anyones attention to myself, but at the same time I have a strong desire to write you about my own past. May be you make something out of it.

Your current situation reminds me of my own situation some 14 years ago.

Your partner seems exactly in the same mindset as mine in 1993 when we were married. The only difference was that none of us knew the truth about "the truth" at that time.

However, that didn´t serve to be a basis for peace and harmony between us. Our marriage was constantly in turmoil as she completely submitts to the Watchtower rules and regulations, and as I start seeing in the Organisation a totalitarian system sustaining itself by controlling the hearts and minds of its ignorant and innocent members.

Neverthless, we both tried to stay together inspite of the differences, thinking we were pleasing God by doing so.

Exactly 10 years after our marriage I came across the Watchtower´s assoication with the UN. It became clear to me that the time has come to take a stand for God.

I informed my wife of my discoveries.

But for her, as dependent as she is upon everything that comes out of the mouth of the so called FDS, neither the UN affair nor the Child abuse scandals is a big deal.

However, it was a big deal to stay with me, an appostate husband.

We end up divorced after 12 years and four children.

Ah, but just as we were separating, she told me infront of the elders that she never loved me.

You don´t necessarily need to go through bitter experiences yourself in order to learn something from life. Sometimes observing what others had gone through serves the same purpose.

Christian love to you,

AR

Hey SOJ,

I am not qualified from the marriage standpoint. But from a life "without" that specail someone. I am very qualified. I would say That if she loves GOD, and she loves you then you will have many troubles but you will still come out better off for it. Ask for the art of Patience and control how much you say so as to not overwhelm her.

May you be blessed from our father.

Well soldier,

you got many kinds of advice now, it is up to you to decide which one to take or not to take anything and come to your own. Decisions, decisions. If you have been reading the Bible and being truthful to YHWH you will have confidence in making a decision; the Holy Spirit will help you.:)

hitomi:happyheart:

bytheway, what is MS?

MS=Ministerial Servant...a position of responsibility.

Wow...what a tangled web we weave. Whatever you do, don't complicate things further. Jesus said "simplify" - and I suppose you're beginning to see that some complications can be nearly impossible to extricate yourself from. So, the 'simplest' thing to do is wait.

Nothing wrong with waiting until Jehovah speaks to you.


gus

Dear Soldier,

Where's your faith? It sounds like a test. Remember that God watches over those that are his own. Pray!!!

John

'Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”' - Mat 14:31 NIV