"If we were meant to be naked we would have been born that way."
"Fear wraps us in clothing, love stands naked."
Prudeness isn't iherent but a cultural thing, but something that's learned.
Adam & Eve were born nude. god never command clothes. Paul advised headresses for women. Jesus may have hung on the cross in his birthing suit and have walked around like it after his resurrection.
What does the bible say about naturism?
"The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame." Gen 2:25
"God told Isaiah son of Amoz, "Go, take off your clothes and sandals," and Isaiah did it, going about naked and barefooted. " -Isaiah 20:2
"Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do." -Hebrews 4:13
"Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame." -Rev 16:15
I think shame has a lot to do with the subject.
regards,
So what is the point that you are trying to make? That public nudity is a good thing?
Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
I think this account from Gen 3 (Message) explains it pretty well:
4-5 The serpent told the Woman, "You won't die. God knows that the moment you eat from that tree, you'll see what's really going on. You'll be just like God, knowing everything, ranging all the way from good to evil."
6 When the Woman saw that the tree looked like good eating and realized what she would get out of it—she'd know everything!—she took and ate the fruit and then gave some to her husband, and he ate.
7 Immediately the two of them did "see what's really going on"—saw themselves naked! They sewed fig leaves together as makeshift clothes for themselves.
8 When they heard the sound of God strolling in the garden in the evening breeze, the Man and his Wife hid in the trees of the garden, hid from God.
9 God called to the Man: "Where are you?"
10 He said, "I heard you in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked. And I hid."
11 God said, "Who told you you were naked? Did you eat from that tree I told you not to eat from?"
21 God made leather clothing for Adam and his wife and dressed them.
22 God said, "The Man has become like one of us, capable of knowing everything, ranging from good to evil. What if he now should reach out and take fruit from the Tree-of-Life and eat, and live forever? Never—this cannot happen!"
23-24 So God expelled them from the Garden of Eden and sent them to work the ground, the same dirt out of which they'd been made. He threw them out of the garden and stationed angel-cherubim and a revolving sword of fire east of it, guarding the path to the Tree-of-Life.
What do you think, Spice Guy?
I'd say: everyone gets what they think they need. Best be careful what it is one thinks he needs.
gus
I think this account from Gen 3 (Message) explains it pretty well:
4-5 The serpent told the Woman, "You won't die. God knows that the moment you eat from that tree, you'll see what's really going on. You'll be just like God, knowing everything, ranging all the way from good to evil."
6 When the Woman saw that the tree looked like good eating and realized what she would get out of it—she'd know everything!—she took and ate the fruit and then gave some to her husband, and he ate.
7 Immediately the two of them did "see what's really going on"—saw themselves naked! They sewed fig leaves together as makeshift clothes for themselves.
8 When they heard the sound of God strolling in the garden in the evening breeze, the Man and his Wife hid in the trees of the garden, hid from God.
9 God called to the Man: "Where are you?"
10 He said, "I heard you in the garden and I was afraid because I was naked. And I hid."
Adam & Eve were afraid of something after she disobeyed God's command and they tried to hide it from God. They were afraid and ashamed.
11 God said, "Who told you you were naked? Did you eat from that tree I told you not to eat from?"
21 God made leather clothing for Adam and his wife and dressed them.
Here we see God giving them more practical clothing (note it's not a commandment). But most forget about a detail. Don't forget, God did not cover us with just clothing, he covered natural living skin with unnatural dead skin of a dead animal! God clothed them in the attire of death!
22 God said, "The Man has become like one of us, capable of knowing everything, ranging from good to evil. What if he now should reach out and take fruit from the Tree-of-Life and eat, and live forever? Never—this cannot happen!"
They were capable of knowing, they weren't omniscient.
23-24 So God expelled them from the Garden of Eden and sent them to work the ground, the same dirt out of which they'd been made. He threw them out of the garden and stationed angel-cherubim and a revolving sword of fire east of it, guarding the path to the Tree-of-Life.
What do you think, Spice Guy?
I'd say: everyone gets what they think they need. Best be careful what it is one thinks he needs.
gus
So what is the point that you are trying to make? That public nudity is a good thing?
shortly put, yes. I can't make it long now.
We were ALL born with an image of God; what have you been doing with yours? --J.W.Olsen
Of course we must bare :) in mind that Eden was a protected garden as that is what the Hebrew word for garden means . As such Adam and Eve could walk about naked without freezing to death or treding on sharp stones or rocks or worse . To my mind however to think that this was supposed to be the way thing were if Adam had learned good and bad in the correct way is daft reasoning .
The tree of the knowledge of good and bad is what let Adam and Eve know that being naked was wrong . Just as well because when they were ejected from the garden their feet would have been in a right old state after five seconds I would imagine .
I cant see that freezing to death would be a good thing either . I dont hold with the idea that the whole earth was of one temprature as the word Earth has its roots in only the local environment . That is why Earth is the same as the word for mud or earth .
Also being perfect would not protect one from sun burn either .
In short the reasoning that humans should be naked all the time in the new system or even now is based on very flimsy reasoning indeed.
You an argue it both ways but the evidence to me suggests that clothing is how humans were intended to protect them selves and of course it is a good way of espressing ones self. Â
Im afraid i cant except the idea either that the resurected Christ went around in his birthday suit either . When ever angels have appered they have always beem clothed . Those unknown to themselves have entertained angels. If they were always naked they would be locked up in prison before they ever even got to knock on your front door .
Plus the two angels that walked into Sodom would not have even got as far as the public square before those in the city had got their wicked way with them .
Plus as far as sexuality goes it is a good idea to be clothed considering what some people are like in this world .
- Veganism
- Sungazing
- Naturism
Is there a pattern to this? :D
- Veganism
- Sungazing
- Naturism
Is there a pattern to this? :D
Hi, anthony. :)
Yes, I think there is a definite pattern to this.
We have here a young man who is desperately searching for "the correct things"; the correct way(s).
Speaking strictly for myself (I shudder to think of some of the things I had to "try out" over the course of my sixty years), there are a lot of things in my past that I wish might instead have been some of these.
spiceant, we are here for you.
Just try not to leap so quickly from one thing to another in your mind. A little more contemplation; a little less haste to act or to decide couldn't hurt, could it?
And, -- be a little more patient with yourself. You don't have to figure it all out in thirty minutes.
your friend and brother, ... isomam
Here is something from the Watchtower archives.
The Golden Age, Feb. 10, 1926, p.310
Air baths are good for preventing colds... What you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while.
Warm Christian Love
Bangalore
The ancient Britons used nakedness wisely.
When they went to war they took their clothes off, and dyed their bodies purple with woad (similar to indigo).
To make the dye, one needed an alkaline 'fixer'. This was obtained from stale urine.
Whether it was the naked purple bodies or the stench of ammonia, that won the battle, no one knows.
Eventually this ruse did not work against the invaders. As the Romans stormed in from the south, and the Saxons from the East, the ancient Brits eventually took up residence in the West of the island, in the Welsh mountains, where they regrouped and formed male welsh voice choirs: Or so the story goes.
Stripping can have its benefits, but they may well be temporary!
Ode to Woad To be sung to Men of Harlech
Romans came across the channel, All dressed up in tin and flannel, Half a pint of woad per man'll, Dress us more than these.
Romans keep your armours. Saxons your pyjamas.
Hairy coats were made for goats, gorillas, yaks, retriever dogs and llamas.
Tramp up Snowdon* with your woad on, never mind if you get rained or snowed on,
Never need a button sewed on. Onward Ancient Brits!
Now you know why we're a funny bunch!
*mountain in Wales.
Hi Spiceant,
Here we see God giving them more practical clothing (note it's not a commandment). But most forget about a detail. Don't forget, God did not cover us with just clothing, he covered natural living skin with unnatural dead skin of a dead animal! God clothed them in the attire of death!
I've been thinking about this...it's not a bad application on the surface. Yet, perhaps their nakedness was covered (in death?) through the eating of the TOK and not the TOL. Had they chose the TOL, thier nakedness would still have been covered (in life?) and the resulting shame they encountered, would not have transpired. They still would have been clothed, but with life and not death.
The Genesis account is not so strictly literal, impo. It contains figurative/symbolic language that can be found throughtout the Bible. I don't believe God's plan was for man to be literally naked forever. His plan was to clothe them with life. Compare 1st Cor. 4:11, 2nd Cor. 5:3,4.
Thoughts?
Personally, I LIKE clothing.:cheer:
So even if we don't have to wear clothing in the New System, I probably will----especially since I will then have a perfect body and will be able to wear all the cool clothes that don't fit me now!!!!:D
I love all kinds of clothing---tribal clothing from Africa, the Chinese Mandarin pantsuit, the Japanese kimono, the Indian sari, the Hawaian grass skirts, the old French nobility dresses, and too many others to name here. :grouphug:
The point is, we'll all be able to wear what we want. If you want to go nude- hey, more power to ya! Just don't visit my island! ;)
Love and *cool* clothing to all,
Sis Micah :neo:
My two cents:
It wasn't wrong for Adam and Eve to be nude in the beginning because there was nobody else around that would see them. Adam and Eve were married to each other, and therefore had the right to see each other naked. They couldn't be "tempted" by each other's nakedness because they belonged together anyway.
My two cents:
It wasn't wrong for Adam and Eve to be nude in the beginning because there was nobody else around that would see them. Adam and Eve were married to each other, and therefore had the right to see each other naked. They couldn't be "tempted" by each other's nakedness because they belonged together anyway.
GOOD POINT!!!!:D:clap::cheer::thumbup::hug:
well--:thinking: just an off the top of my head thought But before eating the forbidden fruit Adam and Eve had an innocence that truly seems to have been childlike--in that they knew no bad. I regard it as small children who actually Love being without clothes--some even take their clothes off Outside because they really really don't like them--in their innocence they see nothing wrong at all with nudity and don't like being constricted by clothing. More than one mother has found her child out in the back yard 'au-naturale' :D but with the eating of this forbidden fruit and the brand new feelings of having done the wrong thing came the feeling of wanting to hide--to cover up--to conceal--hence the feelings of vulnerability--and the realization that being exposed no longer felt so good---and perhaps even more than that as the tree of knowledge of good and bad would have had a drastic effect on their perceptions--their lives had changed in ways they couldn't even imagine at that moment--sadly so--their needing to now cover up and hide seems to be the first manifestation of that--xxxxxx(just a peanut :clap:)