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1 Cor. 14:34-35 is considered by most New Testament scholars a later interpolation into Paul's letter. It apparently is not original. Why do they say this?

Verses 34- 35 appear after verse 40 in a number of important old manuscripts: the Claromontanus of Paris , the Boernerianus of Dresden , Minuscule nr 88, and versions of the Old Latin (Itala) translation (2nd - 4th cent.). This indicates that the verses were a later gloss written in the margin of the original papyrus and which entered the body of the text in later copies, but in different places.

The rule that women should “keep silence in the churches” (vs. 34) flatly contradicts what Paul says about women prophesying in church in 1 Corinthians 11:5. See also: “Whoever prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation” (1 Corinthians 14:3; etc.).

The phrase “as even the Law says” (vs. 34) contradicts Paul's teaching that we have been liberated from the Law (Galatians 2:16; 5:1,18; 3:23-28; etc.).

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Thanks for putting this up Vicky. No doubt it will come up in next week's thinktank discussion.

When I first started to take a close look at this scripture I tried to find some reference in the Law that even comes close to this. There is nothing. And the only marginal reference in the NWT is to Genesis 3:16.

Keep on digging and searching, everyone. We need to make sure of all things! And test the spirits to see whether they originate with God. (1John 4:1)

Love, Rez

Dear Rez and Manhu, These verses have always bugged me. The candor seems so un-Pauline and for the marginal reference to be Genesis 3:16? Come on! Capital L "Law" is Mosaic, not natural.
Much affection, sw

I believe this was a tremendously important point. The fact that there is a total contradiction of thought should have alerted everyone to have brought it to a successful resolution long ago. But such has been the basis of the inability to reason on Scripture. What seems to have been lost on Christendom is the symbolism. Anyway, here's something else to go with it. In 1 Cor 11, Paul spends the first 15 verses all but calling down evil on any woman that doesn't cover herself when praying or prophesying. Then all of a sudden does an apparent 180 in verse sixteen which has been chosen by many to be interpreted as being words to the effect that "we have no such tradition, therefore do what you want." The Amplified Bible, however, says not so fast. It says, "We hold to and recognize no other custom [in worship] than this, nor do the churches of God generally." Quite a contrast from the venerable KJV. "We have no such custom, neither the churches of God." The jw's chose to ignore this scripture except when it comes to conducting home indoctrination sessions. But it has to do with worship. Game,set,match

I think from reading the greek, Paul is saying that some enjoy arguments. Some revel in getting in the last word.
Philo-neikos (love of a quarrel, wrangle, strife).
He says that is not our custom, nor is it the custom of those called out and gathered. ek-klesia out-call and gather, summoned by a town crier. (ecclesia) Now translated as church or congregation.

1 Cor. 14:34-35 is considered by most New Testament scholars a later interpolation into Paul's letter. It apparently is not original. Why do they say this?
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Steam: I don't know; How about the scholars who have translated the KJV, and the Emphatic Diaglott? They seem to differ with these other scholars you have mentioned. (most?)
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Verses 34- 35 appear after verse 40 in a number of important old manuscripts: the Claromontanus of Paris , the Boernerianus of Dresden , Minuscule nr 88, and versions of the Old Latin (Itala) translation (2nd - 4th cent.). This indicates that the verses were a later gloss written in the margin of the original papyrus and which entered the body of the text in later copies, but in different places.
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Steam says: I'lll accept the KJV and the Diaglott versions, as is. The people who made the decision to accept the books of the Bible were not strangers to this controversey, I believe.
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The rule that women should “keep silence in the churches” (vs. 34) flatly contradicts what Paul says about women prophesying in church in 1 Corinthians 11:5. See also: “Whoever prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation” (1 Corinthians 14:3; etc.).
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Steam says: Diaglott uses "assemblies" instead of churches. It must be ascertained just who and what Paul spoke to or of. For instance in the present day, you would not expect a woman to speak in the Convention. But in a smaller class study she might speak and participate. To the Greeks Paul spoke of the Greek women, who lacked the knowledge and demeanor of the Hebrew women, thus they should be made to understand that they were not to speak in certain assemblies.

The Hebrew assembly on the sabbath was local but was divided in to two parts. Civil and ecclesiastical. Rabbi run one part and the elders ran the other part, mostly busines of the community. Women had no speaking privilege, in the elders part, only men and boys who had "bar mitzva" already, would speak and vote. I am sure Paul would be clearly understood if we knew to whom and what he was speaking to or about. There would be no contradiction in his words.
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The phrase “as even the Law says” (vs. 34) contradicts Paul's teaching that we have been liberated from the Law (Galatians 2:16; 5:1,18; 3:23-28; etc.).
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Steam says: Paul was using the law ordnances for his support, just as we use the Bible also. No contradiction here, in my opinion.
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